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K8s BTN on the bubble

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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

9man top 3 pay
Poker Stars, $3.11 Buy-in (80/160 blinds, 20 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
SB 28/11 3bet 9% - 80 hands
BB 25/21 3bet 0 - 80 hands

Initially I wanted to shove then changed my mind as having the big stack and shortstack in the blinds is the worst combination to shove into, then I decided it was good enough to shove, what do you think?

SB: 7,004 (43.8 bb)
BB: 1,427 (8.9 bb)
CO: 3,336 (20.9 bb)
Hero (BTN): 1,733 (10.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 8♣: K♣:
CO folds, Hero raises to 1,713 and is all-in, SB folds, BB calls 1,247 and is all-in

Flop: (2,974) 4♦: 3♦: 3♠: (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (2,974) 6♣: (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (2,974) 5♥: (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results:

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2,974 pot
Final Board: 4♦: 3♦: 3♠: 6♣: 5♥:
BB showed Q♣: Q♠: and won 2,974 (1,547 net)
Hero showed 8♣: K♣: and lost (-1,427 net)


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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

I foegot to check ICMizer, it says shove - (19.8%) 44+,A2s+,A8o+,K9s+,KJo+,Q9s+,QJo,J9s+,T9s

K8s is -0.03% so I guess that answers my question......


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TomClassy
Joined: 06.05.2015

Ye, it is definitely a break even decision and fold is not a mistake. I would more inclined to shove if I had the reputation of a tight player


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Also it’s good to know how aggressive the big stack here is. If he is pretty tight it’s more profitable to shove than when he called to wide here. He is the key if you can shove profitable or not here.

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SDK1987


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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

I had the image of playing tight here, I'd raised 8 out of the previous 40 hands and folded the rest
The BS had OL/C a 6BB shove with QJs, and also open shoved QQ for 24BB that pot gave him the big CL, but since then he had been playing pretty tight even folding to two 2X raises from me


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TomClassy
Joined: 06.05.2015

Originally posted by slippyjim
I had the image of playing tight here, I'd raised 8 out of the previous 40 hands and folded the rest
The BS had OL/C a 6BB shove with QJs, and also open shoved QQ for 24BB that pot gave him the big CL, but since then he had been playing pretty tight even folding to two 2X raises from me

Open shoving for 24 bb with QQ is pretty hmmm..... :f_cool: Was the table loose calling so his OS was justified by that fact or was he just too protective so he doesn't want his QQ to lose postflop?


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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

No one had been playing particularly loose, ATo r/c a shove for 32BB early on but that was about it


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TomClassy
Joined: 06.05.2015

His tightness also adds up to shoving coz he won't apply pressure on BB often enough which is quite important for you


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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

Yeah that is something extra to take into consideration, I've seen that happen a lot even on the bubble when the big stack keeps folding to a SS B v B


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