J9s 4v pot TP vs raise

I would say you played this one semi bad and you did it because of stats with too small sample size..
There is so big gap between 3bet vs SB and vs BTN maybe because villain has faced those situations so rarely. BB vs BTN happens only 57 times in that hand sample. And in 57 hands we can't get reliable stats. So this would be a fold for me pre flop but that is not so big problem.

When you bluff 4bet you shouldn't invest much more postflop. Especially with low top pair with weak kicker I would maybe check call or even check fold. Calling his raise there is just burning money. Who bluff raises you OTF in a 4bet pot?
I think by raising he reps mostly JJ and it was a bad move from him with KK since you have JJ and AA in your range. You can take a note.

I guess we don't even need to talk about that turn call?

BB is calling the 4bet with suited As, AQ KQ KQs 99-22, should be shoving TT+. I took out all Jx as you and the board block.

I think he slowplayed (badly) his high pair range and, folding TT on the flop, you are hitting a QQ+ wall with your weak TP imo.

The main thing is that you should always bear in mind that you played this hand as a bluff.
When you face a raise postflop - just let it go. There are better TP and better hands as a whole....

Call pre, x/c flop, x/c turn, re-evaluate river. As played it is clear fold after his flop raise.

I would fold pre-flop. As played fold OTF.

Sample is to small to trust 3B and 4b Stats, don't complicate and overplay hands that is not necessary. I agree with Nitrol about postflop play.

Calling his raise there is just burning money. Who bluff raises you OTF in a 4bet pot?

dont know, rarely in those spots. But who raises dry flop in 4bet pot ♦

I think by raising he reps mostly JJ and it was a bad move from him with KK since you have JJ and AA in your range. You can take a note.

Why he would raise JJ? To protect vs GS? is that worth vs bluffcatching? Since he plays NL20 I would not think that he is not understanding that calling top set on such dry board is better.

Or there starts leveling - he thinks that I think this is dry board and so I do not put him on value so I bluffcatch light

You are hitting a QQ+ wall with your weak TP imo.

why is he raising QQ+ on this dry board?
plus I did not even put him preflop on QQ+

Call pre

We are OOP, is that really profitable to call such weak hand OOP?

Overpairs can raise dry flops. You will attack those boards a lot and he may be afraid of sewing a better card on turn it river.

Originally posted by nitrol
Overpairs can raise dry flops. You will attack those boards a lot and he may be afraid of sewing a better card on turn it river.

you mean he wants to protect vs overcards with raise?
you think his play is correct?

Yea, he doesn't want to see an ace and also when the board is dry you might cbet it a lot with air so raising is a good exploit also, I think. But imo villain didn't play this well, he should have shoved pre flop imo. And I don't usually raise flops with overpairs.

when the board is dry you might cbet it a lot with air so raising is a good exploit also

if I become explotable by cbeting a lot, why should I cbet a lot then I understand that his range is strong and I do not even expect many folds, AK or AK is not in his range here, which make it even stronger, AQ might call, TT, 99 will call, there is also AJ in his range probably, which again calls (or raises to protect vs K or Q?)

Originally posted by SPeedFANat1c

Originally posted by nitrol
Overpairs can raise dry flops. You will attack those boards a lot and he may be afraid of sewing a better card on turn it river.

you mean he wants to protect vs overcards with raise?
you think his play is correct?

Do I think his play is correct or not does not mean he is not playing like this.
QQ-KK are afraid of Ace hitting the board and play like this. I have seen it a lot.

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by SPeedFANat1c

Originally posted by nitrol
Overpairs can raise dry flops. You will attack those boards a lot and he may be afraid of sewing a better card on turn it river.

you mean he wants to protect vs overcards with raise?
you think his play is correct?

Do I think his play is correct or not does not mean he is not playing like this.
QQ-KK are afraid of Ace hitting the board and play like this. I have seen it a lot.

thats true. But if it is incorrect play, then it is less likely that he plays that way if he is reg.
Plus I also want to know how should I play in his shoes

If you were villain you should shove pre flop. And as played since you would be IP and you don't have to protect on this flop maybe it is fine to call and let him bet turn too. And depending on the card maybe raise OTT. Although raising is problematic since you will narrow down villains range too much, he might continue only with sets.

Yes, you should shove preflop.

The problem I see already starts with your preflop-sizing. I mean you want to make Villain fold right? Why you just size 1bb more than 2x? Do you purposefully want to induce light calls or what?

Postflop: Why do you cbet?

If you were villain you should shove pre flop.

Hmm yea, default is this. But if SB 4bets like hell a lot, and so he will fold to shoves a lot. Maybe there is a way to get more money from the bluffs.

I mean you want to make Villain fold right? Why you just size 1bb more than 2x? Do you purposefully want to induce light calls or what?

To get good price myself. Do not want to induce light calls or shoves when I have bluff, but when I have strong hand - I do

Postflop: Why do you cbet?

was not sure what is better. His fcbet is low. Protect vs overcards, or make them pay.