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2 pair facing a flop raise

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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $11.73 (117.3 bb)
BB: $17.53 (175.3 bb)
Hero (UTG): $22.77 (227.7 bb)
MP: $5.54 (55.4 bb)
CO: $10.86 (108.6 bb)
BTN: $19.04 (190.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7♠: 8♠:
Hero raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, CO folds, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.05) 7♥: 9♣: 8♥: (3 players)
Hero bets $0.80, MP folds, BTN raises to $2.47, Hero calls $1.67

Turn: ($5.99) 2♠: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $6.46, Hero folds

Results:

Spoiler

$5.99 pot ($0.27 rake)
Final Board: 7♥: 9♣: 8♥: 2♠:
Hero mucked 7♠: 8♠: and lost (-$2.77 net)
BTN mucked and won $5.72 ($2.95 net)

Villain unknown. I don't feel comfortable stacking off OTF. Can I call the flop in hopes of villain slowing down OTT or should I just fold this because I can't really call further streets?


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

Stacking off otf is not good imo. Villain has many better hands - all sets, str8s, strong combo draws. Maybe 200bb deep he would just be calling FDs.
I would rather consider x/c flop and turn due to positional disadvantage.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Hmm you think I should call that turn overbet? I really don't feel comfortable doing that when deep but I might be scared money fish There are just too many better hands.


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Tyrion88
Joined: 21.06.2007

My point of few is, if you call the flop and the turn blanks, you should call the turn also. Otherwise you can already fold the flop I think.
But I have absolutly no idea which way is good.

OTF: I think the cbet is absolutly fine. Your 2pair is heavy vulnerable and there are a lot of hands that may call and you are ahead of.


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

Originally posted by la55i
Hmm you think I should call that turn overbet? I really don't feel comfortable doing that when deep but I might be scared money fish There are just too many better hands.

No, as played fold the turn.


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

I would play it as you did.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

You both are deep so fold to the overbet is ok.


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piR
Joined: 31.08.2008

My problem with your line here is : you call raise Flop OOP. So he has the possibility to bluff any turn when you check.
When you decide to call the raise flop imo you go for it on the turn as well on that kind of card (the 2s change nothing), but yeah the sizing from villain is kind of scary.

I would like to know what would be your line turn if he bet 1/2 or 2/3 pot ? if you call; then I undesrtand the call flop.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

It is well played.

The thought that we commit to call turn on blanks when calling flop is wrong. It is the defense (the only defense) against players making one-shot stabs. Folding turn "hurts" but the combination of him giving up bluffs and us hitting nuts sometimes keeps us in business.

Folding flop is possible on other grounds, namely the sizing (3x+), we have "better hands" (like 98s), and the small prospects of winning more without improvement or of bluffing him out on a scare card. (The latter is an interesting prospect, but not at NL10.)

Turn is here an easy fold due to the size of the bet.


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oI2ange
Joined: 21.07.2015

The turn is probably fine as played. I think that you should check the flop as played, though- this board favors villain's range much more than yours and you should really be checking this flop with a large % of your range (if not all of it). This hand is a good example why- you have a solid board for your hand and yet you still can't really stand up to much aggression due to how many better hands villain has. So check/call the flop generally and then go from there.


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