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Kamen992
Joined: 09.05.2011

I want to write few differences about spin beasts .

1st u can sign for 9k games and for 6 moths playing 1500 games to be out. This is super important because u can learn everything u need to beat the game and receive bonus PT4 and a HUD. This is perfect way for you to make a bankroll so after contract finish you can invest and start from 15/30s at your own .

2d coaching is more personal it isnt a skype group with 60 people u can ask coach and they will answer .From time to time coaches ask you so u can move ur brain and remember things easier . Coaches arent "rakeback regs" who play 6 tables by charts .

3 There are different promotions that gain u bonus percentages to ur cut (The deal could be 59/41 in ur favor but 9% u receive after u are done with volume you sign for ,so u can get more % that u can add to this amount ). This way Spinbeast protect itself if u decide to stop playing one day without reasons .

So if you decide to apply there will be skype call and there u can ask everything . Then u can go talk with other stable and decide what offer is best for you.

Like all Spin and GO players i am waiting to see what pokerstars will decide to do with spins from January , because they already made bigger the rake in pokerstars.fr it wil be great if they start 200 or 250$ games with lower JP and rake but this is only dreams

don t forget to use ppartyanimal as referal for extra sessions .


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IvicaIliev77
Joined: 31.05.2012

Hey buddy,

Glad you had awesome time in Germany. Definitely plan to visit it in future and will keep in mind your recommendations.

Regarding your stable post, I just want to tell you to be very careful when saying things like this: "1st u can sign for 9k games and for 6 moths playing 1500 games to be out. This is super important because u can learn everything u need to beat the game and receive bonus PT4 and a HUD. This is perfect way for you to make a bankroll so after contract finish you can invest and start from 15/30s at your own ."
Things that are misleading here: Takes 9k games to learn everything you need to beat the game. What kind of claim is this? It doesn't take into account how much any student knows when entering the deal, doesn't deal with how much they study they need to put to get there, it doesn't account to what grind ability they are currently on (1,2,3 vs 4+ tabling = huge win rate differences) . And finally saying this: "This is perfect way for you to make a bankroll so after contract finish you can invest and start from 15/30s at your own ."
Here you make claim that after 9k games people will have roll to play 15s and 30s on their own. That is very dangerous thing to say and claim because in those 9k games you nor anyone can't predict result or variance so $ results with vary hugely depending on the quality. But lets say that split is 50/50 in the stable and student wants to tackle 15s and 30s after stake, he or she will need minimum 4500$ (close to 200 buy ins) to mix the limits, and to make that money in the stable he or she needs to make 1$ post RB during 9k games. Very unrealistic unless people applying already make 70-80 cents per game post RB as soon as they join the deal.

Nothing wrong against you or your stable. On contrary, I wish you and all the guys who are in it or go through it to crash and get to 100s. I am just pointing out in my opinion very skewed and obvious marketing faults that are simply not true.

If your claim(s) went something like this I will have no problem for it:
If you play already 15s 4 tabling with win rate of 80 cents per game post RB, joining us will get you to earn minimum 1$ per game post RB and get you in 9k games to have chance to tackle higher limits, earn and save money for your future bankroll. If you are on this skill level it will take approximately 40 hours of coaching to get you to win at 30s if you put minimum 60 hours of study on your end to improve your leaks. We will also review and help you with your mental game and are available to you via Skype for consultations.

Do you see the difference? Above statement points out starting point for potential student and what he or she can expect with estimated coaching and studying hours vs just not specifying anything.
You can and should do the same for people that don't make 70-80 cents per game, for example:
If you are currently 1-2-3 tabling 3$ up to 7$ limit on Poker Stars, are break even or slightly looser or winner post RB, we can with your hard work and dedication get you to make 50 cents per game while 3 tabling 7$ limit during which in such and such hours of grind + studying + sessions you will save money for your future bankroll. After completing 9k games deal on 7s you can then extend the deal with us where we will teach you to earn more then 50 cents per game, help and teach you to become even better player and make 1$ per game in next 9k games playing 15s and 30s in the mix.

Those statements above are very specific and hold person who makes such claims accountable. It also helps potential students very much know what is realistic expectation and what they are required to put in. It is not vague and general but rather specific and accountable.

Again, wish you all the best with your stable and I am definitely supporting idea of 9k games especially if you provide BR for 15s+ 100% of it and give sessions, respond to hands daily and have study partners from higher stakes who pair up to teach players lower then them (example 60s player teaching guys playing 15s and 30s, 100s player teaching 30s and 60s etc).

All the best and keep the pictures coming - lovely stuff happening there!


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Kamen992
Joined: 09.05.2011

Hey man Great post I really confirm everything that u said.
1st I really dont know how much time get for specifically person to beat the game . I just want to point that have friends who joined other kind of stable and sign 65k games without knowing how much games are this and now got lower to 7$ just to grind 6-8 tables so they can make more game to leave the deall in close 2 years. For me specific i needed 1k games on 7s to understand the hood and the game , learn how to play good vs fish and had good chipev so decided to move to first wave of regs on 15s. 15s are really nice limit if u ask me because u can make really nice profit from there if u play 4 tables with isnt super hard if u have a good idea ,but u find a first wave of really good mass tabling regs and a lot of bad ones thou.
So i will tell u what i did I start spaming coaches " hey man u play 60s come see my stats ,lets do a review of game , I made a 20 min video ,i have marked hands " and super important thing is i have every week a coaching and every time prepare it for it ! Not just waiting coach to come and say what do you want me to do and i said man whatever just find something to talk about, this is super important for understanding the game you need to work on your game .And that is how i started to be a reg on 30s after 1,5 month of playing 15s mainly because i was money afraid of 30s.
Before I start playing you can shark scoope me i was playing SNG 6 max KKindalov in hive network ,and adjusting from35-50 VPIP to 95% in some position was super hard for me at the begining because i have a lot of friends that send me some hands /videos to review like 10 mins to say what is biggest leak in their game .

I started writing the post up because i really dont want to market stables i am not even a coach in mine because i speak little with accent like Russian trying to speak English in London . The main reason to write it coz i follow your blog i am really happy with ur game i even remember once playing vs you on 15s before long time ago. I saw you write down that u ask smartspiners hey man i write to them after i finish my deal . I had a sample that beat 30s ,15s and good sample of 40 chipev on 60s 4 tabling and , like small sample that i play 100s too .Those people give to me 55% deal and want of me to grind 45k games to leave them so i did calculation like u and it was super bad for me to join there and give soo big amount of money for something that they cant provide for me now , i dont have coaching sessions because you have to work on your game alone when u reach 60s/100s there isnt a special way to beat the games .After time i write to coaches hey man sign me a session i just want to talk with someone because it is really important for me to talk to poker players from time to time .
To be honest i was really thinking a lot when i finish my contract:
Because when i finish it Beasts had to return 7% back to me 1% was counting slightly more than 300$ so I had a nice roll to start 15s, yea they arent exactly 15s but when u go down from 100s u fell super confident and motivated about ur game and u need just to put volume to crush people . Because all money i got from playing i am saving like you because i have other plans in life and have to collect a huge amount of cash . And I am really happy that u succeed in your goal and really sorry about ur family tragedy . I was thinking myself for trip to Costa Rika or Thailand because have friends there , but for now i cant leave my family and my girl is still in the university and we are toghter since 7 years and more so things are super seriously .
And i dont know did i answer everything but I like ur approach you are fighter and I really enjoy ur post they arent like mine that can bored to death people ,that is the reason i mainly dont write much . And about Dresden it was super close to Poland everything like buildings were super close to central station so you dont need to walk like 2 hours to get from building to building and when the old city start every next building was super nice i really like old architectures maybe because i am an engineer and see how hard is to build thing like that using only basic math skills .
With one words about stables and poker if you beat the game on 15s i strongly recommend for u just to find a coach and pay him 5-6 hours u will see a huge difference if the coach know what is he doing . I have cousin who really want to play poker but dont know english so i decided to stake him on my own and coach him with a good deal for him 60-70% because i give him more percentages for every 500 games he made. I wont do this kind of deal with unknowns just i dont trust people this days .So he needed 1k games on 7s to learn hud and game and now he is crushing 15s with more than 65 chipev .
If u have other questions i am here to answer .


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Kamen992
Joined: 09.05.2011

This is what player on 15s may do when he know good bord texture , he dont give up a lot of hands and when we work together I am really happy how good he become for his limits , btw he is playing only 2 tables because he want to improve and play higher limits. The graph is 10% 7$ game 80% 15$ games and 10% 30$ games. I dont usually coach people but we had a easy time because he is from my country and easy to explain situations on my language .
I am sure that variance is deff with him but i think that he crush all positions that we work on and he should have 65 chipev at least in long run .


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Kamen992
Joined: 09.05.2011

October
Hey guys after I get back from excursion I start grinding and managed to make close to 1400 games 30% of them were on 60s , now after the new spin and go promotion more fishes should be on tables . This is great news because i play like alot of games vs regs and some of them are really solid like , Koh,akiss,hyperdonk,netspider and games are really hardcore . I should study more GTO, because with more volume i get vs them is likely for them to get a bigger edge vs me because those guys know what they are doing .

I arrange a new excursion for December in Serbia with friends so i have to put more work to make a good volume . October chipev on 100s is good but i still want to improve it and become one of the best . The bad thing was the all month i run under EV and this with bad multiplier distribution and huge ITM in 2x i manage to be BE and make some profit from RB.

100s

60s

I should consider changing the name of the blog because I can play on 100s whenever I want .


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IvicaIliev77
Joined: 31.05.2012

Buddy, saw your message, lets talk on Skype soon. I will send you in PM my Skype screen name!
Crush those GTO dream machines ;)


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hang1126
Joined: 20.07.2009

Nice blog! please accept my friend request want to ask a few things regarding the Beasts stable.
Cheers.


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Kamen992
Joined: 09.05.2011

Hey Guys haven't been here from a while .

Lets start one by one . First November good month at the beginning and super shitty at the end but you cant do anything variance and playing not A game in all spots took my EV. At the beginning of the month i grind100s till i make like 7-8k after that i drop to 1k and decide to play some 60s because i had a lot of coolers and having super many reg games . 60s things went bad too i run with 15 chipev and under EV that combination make me loose like 6k$ . The fun part was that while i was playing 100s or 60s from time to time i register 30s games so i can play some easy games and hit 2 25x and few 10x for like 10 games .. i still dont have multiplier 25x on 100s and going really bad with them on 60s but what u can do expect winning them . So ended November on -3,5k without the RB with RB things go down just to -1,5k witch is not bad for 60-100s when i played just near 2k games .


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IvicaIliev77
Joined: 31.05.2012
Kamen992
Joined: 09.05.2011

So what i have done after that bad month ?
I was super calm because i know that i have planed trip to Serbia and will rest for few days . So we go to lake Vlasina in Serbia and the pub we were drinking was super good looking made of wood and the house we were sleeping was like 20 m away from the pub so we dont had troubles finding it after drinking a lot of rakjia.
What i can say for Serbia ?
I found people there super polite didnt need even to take their currency they accept BGN every where . BUt still i feel super rich because for 1 euro u get like 30 dinars .Those people know how to make good quince rakjia or so called dunjevaca rakjia super rich and nice flavor with good aroma .

We drink homemade that make it every better than this from the picture .

Other really nice thing we had pork on BBQ and when u want a meat they just go and cut u pieces of it .

And other interesting was that they didnt have fresh vegatebles i was wtf ,not even the Polish apple type tomatoes ? How i will drink rakja without salad but the reason is because people made everything home made and have only

And that salad is favorite for every Bulgarian person , with rakja it was just good times .
Expect the pork they made really nice pljeskavica i was eating this for breakfast till diner :f_love:.

About the lake super wide and beautiful with few islands inside . It was cold like -2 to +2 degrees so there wasnt much people there but i see that summer is their strong season because of fishing ,surfing ,kayaking ,swimming and a lot more activities all of them arent possible in winter .

WE had live Serbian music and we really enjoy their folk it is super close to ours and even better in some aspects . I was drinking dancing and have really good time there . The best part is that it is only 90 mins away from our capital .

So lets talk about poker again .

I bought myself a Xmass present new layout because i dont like PS colors .

Like u can see multipliers are visible but still not annoying with background colors of 6x 4x 10x etc. So i can stay focus on all table and not play scared because of the multiplier .

I start month playing again 60s we had again ups and downs after time i decided to jump to 30s to make some safe money and back my motivation grind 3-4 tables there . Fish is fish difference is that regs are super bad super passive or super aggressive noting like the middle there are good players but still when u know what type reg u are playing is super easy to exploit him . With few days off i manage to make up with some volume now i have to grind hard because of the holidays and probably will move from 30s to 100s whenever i fell that i crush the game .

The worst part is that i am running godish on 30s and beat the game with 80 chips for now 3-4 tabling i cant imagine what money this would be if i could stay a month on 100s like that .:f_love:

One hand vs reg that iso 60% and dont fold to limp stabs .
https://www.boomplayer.com/21969881_3BD82033F6


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Kamen992
Joined: 09.05.2011

Originally posted by IvicaIliev77
Red line looking good man!

Yea i am usually not super aggressive because i play kind of balance on 100s but it is always like BE or slightly going up .


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Kamen992
Joined: 09.05.2011

Happy Christmas from my home guys and GL on tables !


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Kamen992
Joined: 09.05.2011

Happy new year to everyone .


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NIVEKii
Joined: 01.01.2009

That layout looks really nice, where'd you get it?


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Kamen992
Joined: 09.05.2011

Hey i bought it from here . Theme cost 21$ other bad thing is that it is Russian forum and no option for english . What I did ? I made a registration transfer money from neteller after that i download the program follow the steps and everything was working well . I think table ninja isnt working with this them , for stars helper u have to put manually some coordinates and everything is perfect .


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Kamen992
Joined: 09.05.2011

December Update.

Hey guys last week i havent played a lot probably my biggest mistake ,regs were off and games were juicy . I manage to made 1 772 games with chipev 53 with average buy-in 40$. First of my goal for next few days is to do plan for the entire 2017 with not super easy and not impossible tasks . To start playing 6 hours a day in the working days with attempt of playing 4 tables when i fell good. I will target to play 22 days a month so i could make close to 2,5k games a month easily.
This month my EV winrate + RB was close to 40$ so if i will try to put at least 140 hours for the next month . For now i will leave 100s my Chipev isnt that good like 1.5-2% EV roi witch is 2$ per game and doing the little less money per game on 30s but with less variance and more games per hour so no point to play vs the best regs on 100s when i can play vs super bad regs on 30s.

https://www.weaktight.com/h/58412cc0d390432a428b4712
Hand vs reg that decided to turn his hand into a bluff , I will hide the names of the regs because some of them might be reading dont want to feel ashamed .
P.P I still do bad moves from time to time just working every week for removing most of them.


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Kamen992
Joined: 09.05.2011

Hey fellas
2/3 of the month passed and i could manage to put 96 hours of poker .
This month start super bad at terms of real money but last to day variance was on my side and could climb up almost to the Chipev line, dream of all spins players .

first 15 days

Last 4 days

and the entire graph for the month

Will try to put another 50 hours to reach at least 3k games. I have a lot of troubles with coaching sessions because a lot of people that i entered and beast members need help from me so i will try to put them too in the schedule . Usually get more tired when i try to explain everything than to play poker .

some hands

first is vs recreational at the river i was like wtf he have T6 ? i block so much combos and he was trying to represent super strong hand that he ended not having it :f_thumbsup:

second one was vs aggressive 30$ reg again same situation probably i could call and win with Q high but some regs turn bottom pair into a bluff so i decided to take more aggressive move .


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IvicaIliev77
Joined: 31.05.2012

Hey my friend!

1st hand
Recreational players bluff catch very wide, any pair basically. When he double barrels vs check I expect him to have a hand that he is not willing to fold. River - even worse. So vs him despite that you have awesome blocker hand for straight and flush + its bottom of your range (has weak sdv) I would fold it vs recreational and not play fancy. From theory stand point, if he bluffs 3 streets FDs an SDs this is of course in your bcatch range.

2nd hand
Looks OK but I do believe you fold weaker hand here. Reg will not x behind Ax in limp pot BVB and very likely here has 6x or draws. Expect aggro reg in limp pot to value raise Tx on T6x. So at best you fold 6x (if he turns it into bluff - which I don't see a reason to do) and but you also fold FDs and SDs vs which you have sdvalue. I like your play better with weaker sdv hands like 98 87 97 vs Q9. Q9 beats all those SDs that call 2 streets. Given that say you limp BVB strong hands (AA KK QQ JJ) then you can bluff more this river since you will have extended value range vs his weak call down range. Occasionally I do expect reg to show here with 2 pair combos and all 18 combos of them (T2 62 T6 = all x IP bvb in limp pot).

Hope all is well. Keep crushing.


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Kamen992
Joined: 09.05.2011

Hey man about the first hand i need to win 33% to be profitable call when i know that he should x/back 9x ,most of the Tx bet only with Full house ,Flush ,straights with bloker and bet all in with air for me easy call with those blockers.

About second hand we play with reg that flat limp stabs more than 80% and iso preflop more than 40% so for me only Ax combos are A2o-A5o. About 6x u are right here regulars are super bad they make so many bets without reasons and without making any sense . Yea like i told i prefer to x/r with hand without SD value because here i can call with Q high and win but still i like said aggro reg on 30s bet anything without thinking for a sec what he is trying to achieve . IF i was on 100s reg will bet me 45 and try to get value from Kx and Qx here size is super tard and rep 2 pairs ,but because he iso super wide and most of 62 and T2 are in his bluff iso non all in those 18 combos are on half . And when i combine his information about iso 40%+ fold to limp stab 20% ,x/r 20% and that size on the river is just super easy jam for max equity


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Kamen992
Joined: 09.05.2011

Hey guys,

I manage to put 30 hours after my last post . The goal i set for 3k games need at least 25 hours more on 3 tabling till the end of the month but good that we have one extra day 31st January so we will see. I put extra time in TCOOP and to my girl because she is a great person and she deserve more attention . If i remove my attempts on 60s this month my 30s are with 53 chipev so long goal 55 chipev will be great news for me and still feel after long sessions that i do a lot more mistake if i lower them maybe 60 chipev will be doable after time .

Gl on tables !


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