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Facing Flop Raise A3s

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MrPinkii
Joined: 26.02.2009

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 112.1 BB (VPIP: 13.95, PFR: 10.08, 3Bet Preflop: 8.16, Hands: 135)
Hero (SB): 205.5 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 14.72, PFR: 11.04, 3Bet Preflop: 3.17, Hands: 167)
UTG: 109.9 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 30)
MP: 112.8 BB (VPIP: 17.12, PFR: 13.70, 3Bet Preflop: 6.78, Hands: 151)
CO: 112 BB (VPIP: 21.14, PFR: 16.63, 3Bet Preflop: 7.73, Hands: 528)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9♥ A♥

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5 BB, 2 players) 4♥ Q♥ T♠
Hero bets 3.1 BB, BB raises to 10.8 BB, Hero calls 7.7 BB

Turn: (26.6 BB, 2 players) Q♣
Hero checks, BB bets 12.7 BB, fold,

Villain is TAG. Is folding Flop superior? Can we 3bet the Flop vs this guy?


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

I fold OTF. Villain seems reasonable and raise postlop indicates strength usually. We don´t want to give up on having iniciative, as we are only drawing. Generally I think there is no need to make 3 bet and moves like that at NL10.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

If villain is a TAG I think he should be bluff raising flops more than recreational players. He has a lot of draws in his range. I would call OTF.
OTT board pairs which makes things a lot worse so I think folding is good.


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SuperChompa
Joined: 26.07.2016

Is calling the turn bad here? It's only half pot.


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rompas
Joined: 12.02.2014

i would call flop and fold turn as we now can be drawing dead


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Originally posted by SuperChompa
Is calling the turn bad here? It's only half pot.

With flush draw OTT you should have only about 18% equity. To call half pot bet you need 25% equity. I'm not sure how much implied odds you have and since the board is paired you have some reverse implied odds too. So yea I would say calling turn is not good :)


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SuperChompa
Joined: 26.07.2016

Oh ok. thanks la55i.


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MrPinkii
Joined: 26.02.2009

So basically the standard play is call OTF and fold OTT unimproved when villain bets again. As this szenario occurs quite often im wondering if fold OTF is not better? What about c / r flop OOP? Also cant we 3bet / call OTF when we assume he has alot of bluffs in his range (at least with the nut draw)? Do you call 6h7h also OTF?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

OTF your equity with FD only is around 36% (I didn't check that, just an estimate). You should have direct odds to call OTF or at least close to those, and when villain raises OTF you potentially have huge implied odds. I think folding there would be weak and cost you some money on the long run. I still wouldn't 3bet with this hand because your equity is not that great you could go broke here.
6h7h is closer to folding imo because you might be behind even if you hit a flush. But with this hand I think it is best to call OTF and fold OTT.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

It is well explained. A calculational rule for turn play facing a 50% bet would be "can you make, on average, twice as much OTR if you hit"? (That gives you 5:1. making it almost correct to draw.) The answer is clearly a big no.


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