PLO $ 2 - UTG KhKcQhQd - open raise vs. two calls and 3bet from SB. How would you play?

I think you shouldnt move all in on any flop, AAxx is just to likely for SB to have and he crushs you on the board 4 3 3
so i would basically fold the flop ...dont know if my line is to nitty here but you got 4 outs against that hand and i think its pretty likely
also the two callers can wake up with a 3 in their hand to have you in pretty bad shape
offtopic: nice river!

Originally posted by Coinseeker12321
I think you shouldnt move all in on any flop, AAxx is just to likely for SB to have and he crushs you on the board 4 3 3
so i would basically fold the flop ...dont know if my line is to nitty here but you got 4 outs against that hand and i think its pretty likely
also the two callers can wake up with a 3 in their hand to have you in pretty bad shape
offtopic: nice river!

Thanks for your comment! SB has aces there is very rare due to the characteristics of his game. I have four Quads / Set outs and 10 outs for the backdoor flush draw, and I need only 25% fairness for the call to be breackeven. It is legal to point out that before cbet SB and MP are comitted with the pot, after cbet even I got SPR for any value. Due to the stacks involved, I think there is no fold on the flop.

Originally posted by leonardozen

Originally posted by Coinseeker12321
I think you shouldnt move all in on any flop, AAxx is just to likely for SB to have and he crushs you on the board 4 3 3
so i would basically fold the flop ...dont know if my line is to nitty here but you got 4 outs against that hand and i think its pretty likely
also the two callers can wake up with a 3 in their hand to have you in pretty bad shape
offtopic: nice river!

Thanks for your comment! SB has aces there is very rare due to the characteristics of his game. I have four Quads / Set outs and 10 outs for the backdoor flush draw, and I need only 25% fairness for the call to be breackeven. It is legal to point out that before cbet SB and MP are comitted with the pot, after cbet even I got SPR for any value. Due to the stacks involved, I think there is no fold on the flop.

ah okay that info changes things alot because from my experience i would say like 90% of the time a average player who 4bets pre flop at plo micro stakes is just doing it with AAxx (the other 10% is KQJ10 double suited or so)
but as i see the sizing of the 4bet i agree that it could be some weaker hand...but shouldnt you go all in against his range if hes some kinda recreational player with marginal holding?
Considering him being weak i would just pot size 5bet him there because you have some extra money from the callers its not that bad or is the rake to high to just go all in pre here?

Originally posted by Coinseeker12321

Originally posted by leonardozen

Originally posted by Coinseeker12321
I think you shouldnt move all in on any flop, AAxx is just to likely for SB to have and he crushs you on the board 4 3 3
so i would basically fold the flop ...dont know if my line is to nitty here but you got 4 outs against that hand and i think its pretty likely
also the two callers can wake up with a 3 in their hand to have you in pretty bad shape
offtopic: nice river!

Thanks for your comment! SB has aces there is very rare due to the characteristics of his game. I have four Quads / Set outs and 10 outs for the backdoor flush draw, and I need only 25% fairness for the call to be breackeven. It is legal to point out that before cbet SB and MP are comitted with the pot, after cbet even I got SPR for any value. Due to the stacks involved, I think there is no fold on the flop.

ah okay that info changes things alot because from my experience i would say like 90% of the time a average player who 4bets pre flop at plo micro stakes is just doing it with AAxx (the other 10% is KQJ10 double suited or so)
but as i see the sizing of the 4bet i agree that it could be some weaker hand...but shouldnt you go all in against his range if hes some kinda recreational player with marginal holding?
Considering him being weak i would just pot size 5bet him there because you have some extra money from the callers its not that bad or is the rake to high to just go all in pre here?

It makes sense 5bet there, but my range goes from speculative to very strong and caped (AAxxds), maybe the BU dont call, and the final pot would have - $ 0.34c. About rake, it was charged in that hand $ 0.30c (the 888 has one of the most expensive rakes on the market). I think the rake would be even bigger (I do not know the maximum amount of rake charged per hand by 888). I believe that going all-in against everyone would reduce my cards' strength. An all in PF between MP2, MP3 CO would look something like this
Equity Wins Split
MP2 39.77% 39.74% 0.03% 1 { QdKhQhKc }
MP3 25.65% 25.05% 0.61% 1 { 9d5dTc9c }
CO 22.63% 21.54% 1.09% 1 { Jh4h7s6s }
BU 11.95% 10.22% 1.73% 5280 { [T9]**/ss/np, [98]**/ss/np, [87]**/ss/np, [76]**/ss/np }

Now putting the BU in a medium randown, and the 4 going all in PF

Equity Wins Split
MP2 42.98% 42.97% 0.00% 1 {QdKhQhKc}
MP3 29.64% 29.64% 0.00% 1 {9d5dTc9c}
CO 27.38% 27.38% 0.00% 1 {Jh4h7s6s}

Once again thank you for your time. Your opinion gives me more clarity about some points of the hand.

Well in my experience i think at least the one caller folds against you if you potsize raise and even the button is really likely to fold,
because he maybe just thought he isolates from button (i like to do this :f_cool:)
and if you get it in hu against the sb its fine.
To be honest i had 3 spots today in my 10€ plo 6max cash on i poker where i isoraiset to jamm and always got it in good because they sometimes get it in with pretty bad hands so i always was 60% or higher with my all ins ...and as focused on the rake i just need like 53% to be equal but as i said always dependant on your rake...if its this huge maybe its not worth it, but i think its still good
anyway np mate and gl at the tables!

Originally posted by Coinseeker12321

About rake on 888 poker
Pot Limit and No Limit

Table Limit:1¢/2¢
No. of Players Rake per Pot MAX
2 1¢ for each 16¢ in Pot $1
3+ 1¢ for each 16¢ in Pot $4

Really? 160 hands sample and these fellows play 99/69/57,1? I would just ship it preflop then, no question about that.

If their range is wider than AAxx, just get it in preflop. If it's AAxx, then call pre and fold flop.