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Two pair on river against over bet shove from villian

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monty90
Joined: 30.10.2008

Prima, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.77 (138.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $4.08 (204 bb)
UTG: $2.04 (102 bb)
MP: $2.08 (104 bb)
CO: $2 (100 bb)
BTN: $4.04 (202 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J♣: 8♠:
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.05, SB folds, Hero calls $0.03

Flop: ($0.11) 5♥: 9♣: 3♦: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.11) J♦: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.06, BTN calls $0.06

River: ($0.23) 8♣: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.23, BTN raises to $3.93 and is all-in, Hero folds

Results:

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$0.69 pot ($0.03 rake)
Final Board: 5♥: 9♣: 3♦: J♦: 8♣:
Hero mucked J♣: 8♠: and lost (-$0.34 net)
BTN mucked and won $0.66 ($0.32 net)

Can i ever call the river shove?


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Titicamara
Joined: 18.05.2009

You do have a strong hand. If I have 100bb I will call. But for deep stack (200bb), you need a much stronger hand like sets. Folding here might looked nitty but I think it is the right play.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

When deep I may not call.


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monty90
Joined: 30.10.2008

I didn't have much information on the btn either. I'm not sure this is ever a bluff. Think his hands are QT and possibly something like 98. More combos of QT as well.


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

If he's bluffing he deserves that money, fold


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

Huge overshove. I'd say fold here as well but it's more a population read than equity calculation :)
Why have you decided to do a psb OTR? IMO villain has mostly weak hands or nuts..


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amelioration
Joined: 19.01.2014

I don't think you can ever call. He has QT almost always imo. If he's bluffing then you can take note and pick a better spot


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monty90
Joined: 30.10.2008

PSB on the river was due to the fact a lot of players at these stake seem to call with hands like 9x and Jx and we have extra value​. Looks a bit like a bluff here too, think any reasonable reraise we call the only hands that beat us are really pockets 88 and QT.


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

Agree that micro stakes players just can't find the fold button. However, I'd rather make psb with stronger hands such as sets and straights with no flush possibilities. I must say that it also depends a lot on the playing style of course. GL at the tables! :f_thumbsup:


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Padelbro
Joined: 21.01.2010

Originally posted by nitrol
When deep I may not call.

So how deep would you call when villain jams river against our psb?


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rvnikauj
Joined: 03.02.2017

Cold call with J8o BBvsBTN is bad. That hand is trash. If you have a read on villain on a good sample (fold to 3bet in the button v high) 3 bet him, but don't expect to do much else because on most flops you'll got reverse implied odds.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Originally posted by Dadramel
If he's bluffing he deserves that money, fold

Preflop is a call given we are 200 bb deep if we play well postflop. Playing well postflop 200 bb deep means that we possibly do the 9x pot shoving with unexpected nuts (back-doored straights in this case) ourselves, not that we call 9x pot shovings with far-from-nuts. 3-betting preflop becomes more attractive with normal stacks. Here we will simply not get enough folds.


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