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Turn bluff shove with equity vs big bet sizing

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robstars7
Joined: 23.05.2012

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
888
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter

Stacks:
UTG Hero ($31.91) 319bb
UTG+1 THE66DOG ($10) 100bb
CO dev1lmaycare ($18.29) 183bb
BTN BigHotPizza ($10.61) 106bb
SB Mr174 ($11.47) 115bb
BB MichiInDalla ($19.40) 194bb

Pre-Flop: (0.15, 6 players) Hero is UTG 9♠: T♠:
Hero raises to $0.30, THE66DOG calls $0.30, dev1lmaycare calls $0.30, 1 fold, Mr174 raises to $0.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.20, THE66DOG calls $0.20, dev1lmaycare calls $0.20

Flop: 3♠: 7♥: 4♠: ($2.10, 4 players)
Mr174 bets $1.05, Hero calls $1.05, 2 folds

Turn: A♦: ($4.20, 2)
Mr174 bets $3.15, Hero goes all-in $30.36, Mr174 goes all-in $6.77

River: 6♦: ($44.48, 2), 2 all-in

Final Pot:

Spoiler

$44.48
Mr174 shows
3♥: 3♣:
Hero shows
9♠: T♠:

Mr174 wins $22.84 (net +$11.37)

Hero collects $20.44 (net -$11.47)
dev1lmaycare lost $0.50
THE66DOG lost $0.50

Firstly is it okay to raise some % of the time with 910 utg? just to balance my range, i will also do this with a2-a5s.

Iv noticed this villain has big betsizing in past hands and i thought i could shove on a good turn bluffing card and get folds a lot of the time, and if called i have some equity? Is this spew? villain is a 54/22 over just 56 hands.

Looking back turn is prob just a fold isnt it?


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I have converted your hand for you. This way your hand is easier to read.

Pre-flop I would most likely fold T9s from UTG. It’s to likely you will play this hand out of position post-flop and if there are fishy players behind you it will be multi way most of the time as well.

On the turn I don’t think you have much fold equity against his big bet. The flop was multi way as well and it’s likely he has an over pair or a set he would play like this. His pre-flop 3bet sizing is weird as well. If I would consider to semi bluff I would do it on the flop with 2 more cards that we can hit to get a flush. Now I would fold the turn.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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TJtheTJ
Joined: 12.10.2011

T9s is a perfectly fine open from UTG, pretty standard. Not opening T9s is pretty tight.

Flop is wp imo, don't see a need to raise here. Turn against this sizing just fold, don't see much fold equity against a fish. Against half pot we could probably call again, but we still wouldn't raise.


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robstars7
Joined: 23.05.2012

Sorry mod didnt know how to convert.

Thanks guys for feedback, think maybe i just give up and fold on the turn vs such big bet sizing .


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

That’s no problem. If you want to post a hand the appropriate way next time you can read our https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?postid=1432571#post1432571 thread.
You can use a hand converter site like Weaktight to convert hands.


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

You had a nice juicy pot until it wasnt required you had 42% of eq (turn)


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KatalonacX
Joined: 22.11.2013

Open T9s is standard for UTG. Call min 3-bet is fine.
Vilian looks like agro fish, you can't fold him AJ+, what he represents.


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nguyenhieudl
Joined: 15.02.2013

he bet 31bb he never fold at turn , you have not enough fold equity for shove


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DecMate
Joined: 25.01.2009

Vs a fish your aim should be to hit a hand as cheap as possible, then extract as much value as possible.
Raising preflop is standard, and so is the flop, but there was totally no need for the spaz-out here against a fish.


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robstars7
Joined: 23.05.2012

thanks for the feedback.

I guess i just hate callling in these spots and like that I have multiple ways to win, if i shove he folds i win a decent pot/ if i shove and he calls i still should win a bigger pot 1 time in 3.

What is better on the turn with equity, call 60% pot or less, and fold if bet sizing is 60% of pot or higher?


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DecMate
Joined: 25.01.2009

Originally posted by robstars7
if i shove he folds i win a decent pot/ if i shove and he calls i still should win a bigger pot 1 time in 3

You have no fold equity here. He bets half of his stack, meaning he's committed to the hand. You are putting your money in with the expectation of a call, and vs his calling range (any pair+) we are really behind.


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andlondon
Joined: 20.11.2011

I think I'd call on the flop to see a turn card but even if you make a pair you can't feel utterly happy.
I know it looks tight but I could even find a fold vs his bet OTF.
I'd call OTF 3 way.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Originally posted by robstars7
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I guess i just hate callling in these spots...

This is psychological. It is always somewhat unpleasant to call when you know you'll lose most of the times, but yet, the call has positive EV. (I think we have positive EV giving pot odds, outs, and remaining stacks, but probably just barely. A disciplined opponent might save his last $6.77 on a bad card for him.)


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