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Advice moving from Cash to MTT's

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wittsy171
Joined: 20.08.2011

Hi

Always been a cash game player and have a decent br roughly 600 euros. Thinking about trying/moving to MTTS any advice?

I was thinking starting with max buyins of like $5? and avoiding pokerstars due to huge fields


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insomnia666
Joined: 31.07.2010

I saw in the past extremely good cash players, doing ridiculous things in the MTT. Your post-flop play will be a huge advantage. But there are different stack sizes. Different ranges for every stack size. Not only for your stack. For example, you are on HJ, CO is with 45bb, BU 20bb, SB 15bb, BB 9bb. What is your range there? Very very important to learn this Nash ranges. There is also ICM. And because of that, different required equity. I mean min equity. In some spots can be 60%. This is a huge difference, compared to the cash games.


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Lazza61
Joined: 23.03.2011

Originally posted by insomnia666
I saw in the past extremely good cash players, doing ridiculous things in the MTT. Your post-flop play will be a huge advantage. But there are different stack sizes. Different ranges for every stack size. Not only for your stack. For example, you are on HJ, CO is with 45bb, BU 20bb, SB 15bb, BB 9bb. What is your range there? Very very important to learn this Nash ranges. There is also ICM. And because of that, different required equity. I mean min equity. In some spots can be 60%. This is a huge difference, compared to the cash games.

Awesome reply, insomnia666. :appl:

I couldn't have said it any better.

Your post-flop play will be a huge advantage.

This is so true. Cash and MTT players have slightly different skillsets. Typically cash players play more pots post-flop, so have better skills.

But there are different stack sizes. Different ranges for every stack size.

This is where cash gamers will come undone if they don't have a general idea of Nash ranges or what ranges they should be using as stacks become shallower.

I do think that it is easier for a cash player to switch to MTTs than the reverse.


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nsavov
Joined: 24.09.2010

Although what they said is true, I dont like the way the put it. Studying " your ranges" for every possible scenario is a huge waste of time. And it sounds so discouraging when in fact tournaments are so soft and fun to play if you have the time to do so.
A simple knowledge of some guidelines like "big cards go up in value the shorter we become" will do.
The thing that you should work most on is your blind play because with antes and with smaller raise sizes you will always get extremely good odds
GL :f_thumbsup:


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insomnia666
Joined: 31.07.2010

There isn't need for " Studying " your ranges" for every possible scenario". And yes, this is waste of time. He must understand where is the profit. For example, I often OR with A5o from HJ, but T9s is a fold. How you will explain easily this to some cash game player, new in the MTTs? They OR with T9s from UTG and A5o very often is a fold from CO.
In some spots you must fold KQs, but 33 is a call. This look ridiculous in their eyes.
On 5$ one mistake will be maybe 10-12 cents, but very deep in MTT one mistake will cost much more. Maybe even one buy in.
He can try ofc. He can easily win a lot of money without some special skills. In this format.
And this BR is too short. This is enough only for 3 tables "MTT".


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