Originally posted by TakingAShot
Originally posted by Chowchow12
Perfecting Pre-flop
As of today I am going to work in pre-flop for the rest of the year. I was just using weasels ranges, but I could never ask myself the question "What kind of hands would I call with here?" because I was just reading it off an excel sheet. So this should help a lot with hand reading. I have said it over and over again that I think hand reading is the true fundamental skill of poker. My mistake is not seeing the importance of the preflop.I think this is a good lesson. In learning poker we can eventually see how we grossly underestimated certain concepts and it isn't until we get smarter we see the light. Pre-flop is kind of boring and so I think it isn't given enough attention.
At this point I still think it is good to get a general game plan in the beginning and then go through each section adding a layer of depth and specificity each time. But I think it is especially important to have your pre-flop down in order to think in ranges properly post flop.
I think the difference is playing against fish because of large calling ranges, but a VPIP/PRF/3bet of 40/10/2 doesn't have much variance in their pre-flop range. I think the general overview helps you defeat them, and just a simple game plan. Knowing their tendencies allows you to exploit them. (Auto profit spots etc.) This is why most beginner courses are structured the way they are. I think it isn't a bad approach, but I think some of the concepts do not have enough weight on them.
I really think one of them is planning your hand. I think a lot of videos on this say: "You must plan your hand! It's important! Here is an example!" - Fin. But really we need to look at all the types of hands we can have and then come up with rough plans for them for certain turns and rivers. An example is backdoor draws: We want to use the best ones that can make a 5 card hand by the river, to bet the flop with. Ac3c on Kc7h2d is an example. An example of a backdoor draw I think is okay to put in our check/fold range is a backdoor gutshot, and if we turn the cards that give us a gutshot we have a bluffing hand with backdoor equity, same thing with weaker backdoor flushes, we only want to play a small pot if they hit anyway, and by checking back the flop we have reduced the number of streets and effectivly the size of the pot. (Overbetting with our hands we plan to c/r on the flop is probably the execption here).
Weasel does a great job at explaining this. We keep ourselves to have options in our range here. But coming up with these kinds of plans requires studying lots of boards and knowing how hard our range hits a given board. Which comes back to knowing our preflop ranges. Knowing we don't have a lot of pairs means we need to check/call more of our backdoor draws and ace highs (unless we want to make an exploitative fold/over fold). So for studying this we need to run a lot of board analysis to know what kind of hands we need to have plans for given boards. I really didn't get this connection until now. It is kind of funny. I feel really silly about it.
NL10
It's funny I use a program that converts $$ to bb and I forgot I was playing on NL10. The player pool felt the same. I could swear the pool was more aggressive than this.Don't make judgments about the player pool - or really anything - based off of one session. However, yes...a lot of the 10NL players are absolutely no better than the 5NL players. At all because we're talking about $5 or $10 which is absolutely nothing to a lot of people. The thing is that @ 10NL, there are also better players scattered throughout the player pool, more collusion and the like, and overall there's no denying that the games are much harder. Still, as said, sure ...just like there are whales @ 100NL who just have disposable money and are drunk, you'll find the same thing in a $5 or $10 game. Don't just paint everyone with that brush until proven otherwise though or else you'll burn a lot of buyins. Especially if you're playing anonymous games.
I just meant, form my other shots and NL10 the player pool felt left the impression of being extremely aggressive. While the last bit they have just felt like NL5.

