Originally posted by kingdippy2008
Originally posted by Kimber88
Originally posted by west188
They suck out that rake but keep as many people playing as possible - that's why you get so many bad beats - otherwise so called "fish" or "donks" will be outta the game in no time and will not come back. They keep good players on the leash.Ohh.. I finally see the big picture. The have written an algorithm that not only jeopardizes their entire business, but also keeps track of how many times each and every player suck out. This algorithm also notices who is "good" and who is "bad" and let the bad ones suck out a little more often.
So now we come to the conclusion that everyone sucks out just about an equal amount of times. Wait, wait.. What am I saying here.. Then it's not rigged.. Then it's random and it evens out. Then it makes no sense to write that super complicated algorithm.
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We don't close threads without good reason. Everyone is entitled to sound off frustration if they want to as long as they stay within the forum rules.
Think the OP will see things differently after taking a break and re-focusing though. Probably already turned it around since posting.
Came across this 'inspirational quotation' the other day, think it's quite apt here:
"No pressure, no diamonds" - Mary Case (no idea who before you ask 
)
Have faith, have fun,
Bart
alright! thanks to all of you giving respectful and good answers!!
ok guys i have to add one more thing to the 5k down... i didn't lose ALL the 5k in the 16-27 $ sng and 7.7-12 $ tuirbo 180 mtt... maybe 1/5 to 1/4 of it i lost in higher buy ins 36-50 $ and maybe 500 $ in cashgame also.... but still i find it quite heavy and also i am no robot or somethin thats why i do make mistakes sometimes, but i wouldn't have opened this thread without some reason to it as i know my play is good and it has seemingly got to be standard for me that i always lose with the better hand... no joke sometimes it seems to me that they wanna stop me because else i would win too much.... 
but well... as some of you already mentioned... : poker is rigged and hence is stars rigged too... ♦
peace
Play the same way for 200 tournaments or 40,000 hands. If you come out down, its you. There is a leak somewhere in your game. I didn't realize this until I switched to FL where I could play mechanical. After a while I realized that by making the EV+ decisions I was EVENTUALLY making profit.
Also, take a break for a few days. In FL I'm a 4.5ish/100 Hands player and I took a 2 day break to grind (This sounds so nerdy) the new Ulduar instance in World of Warcraft. When I came back today I played a sick session with no tilt on losses or hype tilt on wins for a 5 hour session of 8.2BB/100Hands.
Edit: I also had the same problems as you in SnGs. I realized I played everything good but then I read a post by Daniel Negranu. He said to play small pots and win most of your money with no showdowns. If your getting all your money in on 80/20 shots, then 1 out of 5 times your going to get knocked out of the tournament. Thats actually why i switched to FL
Originally posted by Verre
Also, take a break for a few days. In FL I'm a 4.5ish/100 Hands player and I took a 2 day break to grind (This sounds so nerdy) the new Ulduar instance in World of Warcraft. When I came back today I played a sick session with no tilt on losses or hype tilt on wins for a 5 hour session of 8.2BB/100Hands.
A bit off-topic but: ^THIS is impossible in long run... If you use elephant and these are big blinds not big bets, then you're running good (what is other side of variance) and/or you're playing micro limits. There's no winning 2/4+ player with 4 BigBets/100 hands and the most achieveable is 2.5 imo (but you MUST be GREAT player on that limit). Sure, you can run very well and be on nice upswing but don't overestimate your skills etc. 
The other thing I dont agree is that 40,000 hands should determine whether you're winning player or not. You need more than 100k and even then you can't be 100% sure you're good enough.
It wasn't meant as offence, so I'm sorry if it seems so..
Haha yeah, I wanted to say 80K but then i thought it would be too daunting.
In the past I have just run sets of 50k and gone back and looked for downswings and why I did them. Mostly due to leaks. I hadn't played FL for over two years before the beginning of this month.
And yes its 4 Big Bets and yes its Micro Limits. .25/.50. And yes my goal is 2.5bb/100 when i move up to .5/1 and 1/2. Its just been so fishy over the first 35k hands at this level that I have no problems winning almost every session. I dont expect this to continue when I move up.
Edit: I'm about two days away from unlocking Elephant. Are you able to do a graph with Profit against Expected Value? Always thought that would be a good judge of efficient play.
Originally posted by Verre
Edit: I'm about two days away from unlocking Elephant. Are you able to do a graph with Profit against Expected Value? Always thought that would be a good judge of efficient play.
Unfortunately not.
Originally posted by Verre
Play the same way for 200 tournaments or 40,000 hands. If you come out down, its you. There is a leak somewhere in your game. I didn't realize this until I switched to FL where I could play mechanical. After a while I realized that by making the EV+ decisions I was EVENTUALLY making profit.Also, take a break for a few days. In FL I'm a 4.5ish/100 Hands player and I took a 2 day break to grind (This sounds so nerdy) the new Ulduar instance in World of Warcraft. When I came back today I played a sick session with no tilt on losses or hype tilt on wins for a 5 hour session of 8.2BB/100Hands.
Edit: I also had the same problems as you in SnGs. I realized I played everything good but then I read a post by Daniel Negranu. He said to play small pots and win most of your money with no showdowns. If your getting all your money in on 80/20 shots, then 1 out of 5 times your going to get knocked out of the tournament. Thats actually why i switched to FL
i did play 200 and most probably many more and i did play the same way and with a few exceptions the villains did suck me out constantly too... it's a fuckin joke that they owned me so damn often in 80/20 70/30 60/40 and let's just not talk about flips alright .... and then if i had won such situations, often it didn't help me at all, because i eventually bust at the bubble..
it was seeming to me to be very wicked always losing high pockets or any pockets against any ace which obviously hits directly on the flop and most often lose when i have em dominated, etc...
no question, sometimes i run good too, but veeery seldom....
if u don't believe me i don't care and if u believe i am a fish i don't care as well, because i know it better.
peace
Lets continue with the totally absurd hands thanks to the one and only JOKERSTARS
Known players:
[tg]Position_Stack:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;Hero$7.42:///////;BB$5.49:11/55 /9 /2.2/50 /-/-/67 ;[/tg]
0.1/0.2 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.
Preflop: Hero is SB with J♦, 4♣
6 folds, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.
Flop: (6.00 SB) J♥, A♣, 4♦ (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls.
Turn: (7.00 BB) Q♠ (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls.
River: (15.00 BB) 6♦ (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls.
Final Pot: 23.00 BB
Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows two pairs, jacks and fours (Jd 4c)
BB shows two pairs, aces and queens (Ad Qh)
BB wins with two pairs, aces and queens (Ad Qh)
What can I tell you... Stars is joking me whole fucking day.Twice AA and twice suited flop and of course none of my aces is the same suit. Lost to so many three of a kind on the river, or gutshots on the river that I can even gutshoot myself...
P.S
Known players:
[tg]Position_Stack:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;BB$4.23:07/43 /0 /0.0/67 /-/0 /100 ;Hero$6.69:///////;[/tg]
0.1/0.2 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (10 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.
Preflop: Hero is BU with A♦, A♥
7 folds, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls.
Flop: (4.50 SB) 6♠, 4♥, 8♥ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.
Turn: (3.25 BB) 7♥ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.
River: (5.25 BB) 3♣ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.
Final Pot: 7.25 BB
Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows a pair of aces (Ad Ah)
BB shows a straight, eight high (8c 5s)
BB wins with a straight, eight high (8c 5s)
This f**king murdered me.
P.S2 - The nightmare continues
Known players:
[tg]Position_Stack:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;Hero$5.36:///////;CO$4.04:04/25 /0 /-/0 /-/-/-;BU$2.23:56/30 /9 /2.4/44 /25 /-/38 ;[/tg]
0.1/0.2 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K♦, K♥
2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, CO calls, BU 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero caps, CO calls, BU calls.
Flop: (13.50 SB) T♦, 7♣, A♥ (3 players)
Hero bets, CO folds, BU raises, Hero 3-bets, BU calls.
Turn: (9.75 BB) 3♣ (2 players)
Hero bets, BU calls.
River: (11.75 BB) 8♣ (2 players)
Hero bets, BU raises, Hero calls.
Final Pot: 15.75 BB
Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows a pair of kings (Kd Kh)
BU shows a pair of aces (As Js)
BU wins with a pair of aces (As Js)
P.S3 haha 2 hands later
Known players:
[tg]Position_Stack:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB$8.62:45/53 /2 /2.2/37 /-/-/60 ;BB$3.91:15/53 /0 /0.2/38 /0 /0 /100 ;MP2$1.50:10/70 /10 /0.6/25 /-/-/0 ;Hero$5.84:///////;[/tg]
0.1/0.2 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (7 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.
Preflop: Hero is BU with K♣, K♠
MP1 folds, MP2 raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, BB calls, MP2 calls.
Flop: (12.00 SB) T♥, 4♣, 7♣ (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls, MP2 calls.
Turn: (8.00 BB) Q♣ (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls, MP2 calls.
River: (14.00 BB) Q♥ (3 players)
BB bets, MP2 folds, Hero raises, BB calls.
Final Pot: 18.00 BB
Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows two pairs, kings and queens (Kc Ks)
BB shows a full-house, queens full of tens (Qs Ts)
BB wins with a full-house, queens full of tens (Qs Ts)
Originally posted by alejandrosh
so you get sucked out on FL holdem? omg .... that never happens.
Agreed. ♦
Originally posted by EagleStar88
We don't close threads without good reason. Everyone is entitled to sound off frustration if they want to as long as they stay within the forum rules.Think the OP will see things differently after taking a break and re-focusing though. Probably already turned it around since posting.
Came across this 'inspirational quotation' the other day, think it's quite apt here:
"No pressure, no diamonds" - Mary Case (no idea who before you ask
Have faith, have fun,
Bart
Errr, diamonds can be grown at low pressure as well...just pass some methane gas over a very hot substrate and add some hydrogen and viola diamond ♦
I get the quote and it is true. Just keep analyzing your game and play your A-game. It makes you appreciate the time you do run well better.
Good luck
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