AA facing check/raise and then another bet

Yea flop raises could be a bit value heavy at the lowest limits but those shouldn't be just super nuts. I think an overpair should be called vs a flop raise from unknown. Turn doesn't change anything so I would consider calling there again. If you plan to fold vs any further action and you have just 2 outs that can improve your hand, then I think there is no reason to call the flop raise.

There is a possible FD but Idk if he would be limping with suited A.

Villain didn't limp? UTG limps, you iso-raise and BB cold calls your iso-raise. Limper folds.
And yea, limpers can limp suited aces. They are usually passive guys who can really limp pretty much anything. If someone limp calls you can't even exclude AA always.

Originally posted by la55i

Villain didn't limp? UTG limps, you iso-raise and BB cold calls your iso-raise. Limper folds.

Yes I misread my own hand ♦.

Turn doesn't change anything so I would consider calling there again. If you plan to fold vs any further action and you have just 2 outs that can improve your hand, then I think there is no reason to call the flop raise.

I was planning to call against a 1/2 or less sizing. But his bet is kind of scary and I do think I was behind there. I dont mean to disrespect your opinion or anything .I DO appreciate and respect your advices I just dont see him doing this with something we beat. What are the hands he would check/raise with and that we beat? I dont see any. Only thing that comes to my mind is KQ, or a FD, but wouldnt he 3bet suited A? And check/raise with KQ doesnt make sense to me I just gave him that to find at least some hands we beat. And if he does have that KQ/FD, he has plenty of outs there, plus even if he doesnt hit the flush OTR. What if he decides to continue betting there as a bluff? That would be a very tough spot for me. But then yeah when I think like this, maybe folding the flop would have been better, but I think that overpair is definitelly a viable call on a FD flop.

I think we should either fold on the flop or continue on the turn.

As the flop is K-high, there are no other overpairs that could be raising. He surely would’ve 3-bet AK preflop, so I doubt he even has TPTK. It would be a weird move with KQ or worse.

He can have sets or maybe even two-pair in these positions. We’re behind any feasible hand except FDs. I’d actually prefer to fold OTF here.

@lfcmichael: unless you are so sure that he's someone who always 2barrels after raising flop, this would otherwise be an incorrect assumption.

@sdf256: He's kind of committing himself with the Turn bet. If he's a spazzer I would call Turn and let him bluff River (fishes do love to do desperation bluffs with 30% pot left behind). If he's someone who just stacks off with flush draws regardless of pot odds you should rejam here and commit him with hands that lose to you (AK/KQ/flushdraws).

I am not folding because I think we sometimes beat worse value hands, and you'll never know if he has some gutshot, flushdraw or is randomly spazzing.

Yes, exactly if you call on the flop you should probably calling the turn as well. The turn does not change anything. I mean, you should think ahead, so if you call on the flop you should consider what you are going to do on later streets.