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Hey,

SB was playing LAG 32vpip/8 pfr.
He completes blind and with KAs I decided to bet when he 3bets shove me I supposed his range will be something 77+, AJ+ and KQ. Against this range, I'd a coin flip. But excluding hands that he'd raise pre-flop like JJ+ and AK my equity 15% higher now compared to him.
I decided to call and hand flowed as below:

I questioning myself regarding:

If I'm the 3rd stack of the table and quite comfortable, should I avoid this situation with stack leader?
In terms of ICM this move was too bad and how should I play?

Poker Stars, $0.44 Buy-in (75/150 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: 4,735 (31.6 bb)
Hero (BB): 3,535 (23.6 bb)
CO: 4,091 (27.3 bb)
BTN: 1,139 (7.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K♠: A♠:
2 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to 750, SB raises to 4,735 and is all-in, Hero calls 2,785 and is all-in

Flop: (7,070) 9♥: 3♦: T♦: (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (7,070) 8♦: (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (7,070) 3♣: (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results:

Spoiler

7,070 pot
Final Board: 9♥: 3♦: T♦: 8♦: 3♣:
SB showed 9♣: 9♠: and won 7,070 (3,535 net)
Hero showed K♠: A♠: and lost (-3,535 net)


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AgapieGheorghe
Joined: 10.07.2011

32vpip/8pfr This stats doesn´t make him a LAG. He likes to play and see a lot of flops but he is really tight, more of a fit or fold player.

I will fold to his 3bet on the bubble, there is no reason to get to a coinflip when you have such a good stack and one of the remaining players is so short.

I guess you wanted him to shove and you already where ready to call because your Iso raise seems so big.

On the bubble is where you want to play as tight as you can, unless you have a really good stack and even if u lose an all-in you are still in good shape.


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nutural
Joined: 21.09.2011

ICM tax on this situations is big. You two playing a big hand can only increase the other two player's equity.

And especially a limp/shove move of a 32/8 seems quite powerful to me. It's not a tremendous mistake to call of course, but if you feel you have an edge against the table you can skip that tough spot. And now that you have seen this situation maybe you can challenge if betting pre so big in THIS situation is a good move.


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Agreed with both, due to the ICM should I avoid this situation.
I bet him to re-steal and wasn't thinking call all-in.
Referring to his stats he is a "calling station" .
Nutural, and agreed with you if his prf 8 means a powerful really a powerfull hand.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I think this a good spot to practice the articles:
Chip Value (1): The Principle of Diminishing Chip Value
Chip Value (2): The Fundamentals of the Independent Chip Model (ICM)
Chip Value (3): Application of the ICM
Chip Value (4): The Risk Premium Concept

If you use the ICM calculator in combination with Equilab you can calculate what kind of range villain should shove to make a call with AKs profitable.

I think it’s good you try it first and then I can see if you understand the articles well.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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Following your advice:
what kind of range villain should shove to make a call with AKs profitable?
According to ICM calc, I gonna need a 71,22% of equity. The villain range should be any two cards. X( Risk premium of 21,22%

Thanks for the advice and now I have a better understanding about the situation.


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marco609
Joined: 22.03.2018

:f_confused::f_wink:


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Not to surprising, but 71% equity needed is huge. Now you can see how extreme loose villain should be to make this kind of calls. In this case you are have most likely not to much more then 50% equity against his range.


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I was thinking about this hand and after study articles about ICM I realized that 71% was too huge and make calcs to understand why fold is better even do with AKs.
My mind assumes that AKs will win more often, against odds

See calculations:

(0*15,58%)+(0,80*30,29%)+(1,19*27,94%)+(1,98*26,19%)=1,0934
$EV of my stack after fold: $1,0934
$EV of my stack after call & win: (0*0%)+(0,80*12,44%)+(1,19*32,71%)+(1,98*52,37%)=1,5257
$EV of your stack after call & lose: $0 with 0 chips
$EV = 57,06%*1,523+42,94%*0=0,869
$EV of your stack after a fold = $0,87 > $EV of your stack after a call = $0,9301 --> ,87-0,93=(-0,06) with call I loose money

In this situation the equity of my hand was:
MP2  42.94%  37.54%  5.41% 77+, AJs+, KQs, AJo+, KQo
MP3  57.06%  51.65%  5.41% AsKs


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