Decent bluff or spewing chips?

What WWSF does villain have ? That raise from a 17/14 player kinda scares me and yeah you have the right odds to call there.

Do you 3b bluff vs every villain this hand or you have some specific info about this one?

I think the preflop 3 bet is a bit loose but ok. I would call his raise OTF for pot odds and play x/f on later streets in case I wouldnt improve.

@AgapieGheorghe
villains WWSF is 29

@nitrol
His fold to 3B was 81% (13 out of 16)

Then i´m not betting river, as i said he is a nit i´m sure his W$SD is high. Most likely he has 2p+ on the flop.

I think he is x/calling. That 9 on turn slowed him a little bit down. If i bluff here i might try to go for an overbet. Because of late positions you could have some 7x in jour range like 77 which you could 3bet pre. Also some combo as K7s and A7s if you 3bet wiht K4s.

Originally posted by AgapieGheorghe
Then i´m not betting river, as i said he is a nit i´m sure his W$SD is high. Most likely he has 2p+ on the flop.

Hey AgapieGheorghe
Is him being a nit not the reason reason to bluff here? I totally agree that I am behind there but can he find a fold?

Isn't it too low 29 for WWSF?

@nitrol.

I use besides the standard stuff this stats
F3B -> 81, Af -> 1, PA -> 1, FRB -> 67

Here a screenshot. I never use this info. Maybe I should.

I think that this stat should normally be over 40.
If it is low this means he is calling too much. But it should not be used alone.

Personally I wouldnt 3bet and cbet this flop. Hits his range a lot, you havent enough fold equity to profitable cbet.
OTR he can easily call you with twopairs+, especially nitty player.

Well. Thank you all for your thoughts. You are probably right, not the best bluff ever.

Anyways, I don't know what villain had. He tanked about five hours before he folded.

Originally posted by nitrolIf it is low this means he is calling too much. But it should not be used alone.

If it's that low, could not him give up too much?

This means that we should not bluff vs him.

It seems like we are focusing on stats a lot here. The stats seem to be river stats mostly.
I would like to remind that we have less than 250 hands on villain and even though his WWSF is 29 now, it might be 50 on the long run.

Originally posted by RubbyDubby
If it's that low, could not him give up too much?

Originally posted by nitrol
This means that we should not bluff vs him.

He gives up a lot so we should not bluff him. Isn't that a contradictio in terminis?

I guess that if we'd assume that his WWSF stat would be reliable it would mean, that he'd definitely fold too much as WWFS 29 is very low. So being a bit more bluff-heavy should be nice then. You also didn't show any weakness post-flop, while his check OTT seemed a little weak. With the 9c OTT you also shoud have some straights in your range. I like the bluff.

Originally posted by RubbyDubby

Originally posted by RubbyDubby
If it's that low, could not him give up too much?

Originally posted by nitrol
This means that we should not bluff vs him.

He gives up a lot so we should not bluff him. Isn't that a contradictio in terminis?

He is not giving up a lot. He is not winning much hands when he sees flop.

I would just give up otr vs nitty opp like this. If you want to bluff, youre attackin strong range so you should shove imo. 2/3 is very bad sizing otr imo, rwo pairs and overpairs calls now. I dont think you have aufficient info to make this bluff though.