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Fold Q high flush vs river raise?

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clovenhoofsdoom
Joined: 04.03.2016

Hey guys,

I recently played this hand, and as played, I exactly knew what Villain was on. Or at least I had strong indication that he beats me, because of his line.

- 3handed in Position he bet on a flushdraw- connected flop which indicates, he has a strong, but vulnerable hand
- when the flush hit the turn he checked behind
- when the river brought a potential fullhouse he raised my bet

So far, so good. My line probably wasn't optimal. I decided to check flop with gutshot + Q high flushdraw and 1 overcard vs 2 opponents. I think this is not the worst decision, but a 60-70% potsized cbet would be perfect to get as much money in as possible by river when the flush or straight hit.
On the turn my check was weak, especially since I suggested CO to have a set. I somehow was scared vs 2 opponents to reveal my hand, but it is a clear clear value bet here. Especially vs CO, but I am repeating what I already said.
On the river I tried to get some value from lower flushs from BB he may have played awkward, and I guess many Villain call here with 2 pair and triplets. BB could have - if he has a hand at all - mainly 2 pair and triplets, I guess.
When CO raised, yeah, I think I shouldve felt because his line is never flushs but face up fullhouses. I was curious if I had read it right, but I guess, it should be a fold - what do you think?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Converted at http://www.handhistoryconverter.com/

SB ($5.93)
BB ($4.85)
UTG ($5.66)
Hero (MP) ($5.11)
CO ($7.96)
Button ($5)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q, 10
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.15, CO calls $0.15, 2 folds, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.47) 2, 8, J (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $0.30, BB calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.37) 6 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($1.37) J (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.80, CO raises to $1.95, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.15

Total pot: $5.27 | Rake: $0.22

Results:

Spoiler

Hero didn't show Q, 10 (nothing).
CO had 8, 8 (full house, eights over Jacks).
Outcome: CO won $5.05


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clovenhoofsdoom
Joined: 04.03.2016

The interesting part in this discussion for me is:

If I would have cbet flop and call the mandatory raise from CO, cbet turn - is the river still a fold? I guess it's not as obvious, but still pretty much face up that CO is on a fullhouse, right? I mean, I guess he wouldn't raise turn with his set when the flush hit, and I guess he would push turn with his (nut-)flushs. I think on NL5 most Villain still do not think in ranges.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I think cbet flop would have been fine but I do actually like the check also. I would fold OTR but otherwise I think this is fine.


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KatalonacX
Joined: 22.11.2013

Villiain show what he represent,it is multi-way pot, he always have something.OTR bet is fine, Jx will call,but never raise.


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

I would cbet flop, value bet turn, and then bet/fold or bet/call river.


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MatoStar
Joined: 22.07.2017

Originally posted by clovenhoofsdoom
The interesting part in this discussion for me is:

If I would have cbet flop and call the mandatory raise from CO, cbet turn - is the river still a fold? I guess it's not as obvious, but still pretty much face up that CO is on a fullhouse, right? I mean, I guess he wouldn't raise turn with his set when the flush hit, and I guess he would push turn with his (nut-)flushs. I think on NL5 most Villain still do not think in ranges.

If you would cbet flop and call a big raise from villain, then on this turn you can check/shove for value, because he would still call you with sets, nut FD and actually only Ax flushes beat us (6combos) (and also he may 3bet pre some of this).
As played: I would cbet flop and bomb it OTT.


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pokerboy198229
Joined: 20.08.2011

bet fold river is almost always a good answer


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

We should fold vs the river raise.


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MrQNo
Joined: 30.09.2006

Otf, on a drawy board like this against two opponents, i prefer to miss the cbet.

Ott, there are still two opponents and the board IS drawy. I’m sure i have the best hand here, but there are outs for the A high BDFD or for sets or 2pair to full. I won’t give them a free card, so i bet ott.

Otr, that raise against two opponents is nearly the nuts. I’m surprised it’s only a full house and not JJ. A safe fold.


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