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(FR) QQ - calling down on a horrible board

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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

I can't recall if this villain had some kind of betting pattern.

$0.02 NL - Holdem - 8 players

CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 15.07, PFR: 11.67, 3Bet Preflop: 7.76, Hands: 620)
Hero (BTN): 103 BB
SB: 104 BB (VPIP: 5.56, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
BB: 12 BB (VPIP: 61.11, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
UTG: 117 BB (VPIP: 14.90, PFR: 0.47, 3Bet Preflop: 0.32, Hands: 866)
UTG+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 13.02, PFR: 11.24, 3Bet Preflop: 4.92, Hands: 170)
MP: 49 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 15.15, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
MP+1: 189.5 BB (VPIP: 67.44, PFR: 13.95, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 43)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♣ Q♥

fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) 7♠ 5♦ 6♣
Thoughts:

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I had no idea what villain could have here... A made str8? A set? Would overcards lead here?

CO bets 9.5 BB, Hero calls 9.5 BB

Turn: (38.5 BB, 2 players) 9♠
Thoughts:

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Horrible turn. Still unsure if I was ahead or behind.

CO bets 19 BB, Hero calls 19 BB

River: (76.5 BB, 2 players) 3♥
Thoughts:

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Worst river ever. Almost any pp beats me: from 33 to 99.
Should've I folded?

CO bets 38 BB, Hero calls 38 BB

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CO shows T♠ T♥ (One Pair, Tens)
(Pre 18%, Flop 12%, Turn 14%)
Hero shows Q♣ Q♥ (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 82%, Flop 88%, Turn 86%)
Hero wins 143 BB


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MLima1984
Joined: 19.05.2015

Knowing the villain´s steal attempt% would help knowing what he likes to play from LP.
Anyway the flop sucks and the villain doesn't seem fishy, i would give him credit and fold.


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mistralx
Joined: 13.08.2014

Originally posted by MLima1984
Knowing the villain´s steal attempt% would help knowing what he likes to play from LP.
Anyway the flop sucks and the villain doesn't seem fishy, i would give him credit and fold.

You would really fold OTF?
Why? What is the reason? I can't get it.

Knowing that Hero 3-bets many broadways and Ax, villain having an overpair might decided to lead for protection against overcards.
This is easy call OTF.

OTT spot becomes a little bit tricky, because Hero doesn't beat 88 and 99 anymore. CO might still have TT-JJ, so I would say call again and see the river.


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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

Originally posted by mistralx

Originally posted by MLima1984
Knowing the villain´s steal attempt% would help knowing what he likes to play from LP.
Anyway the flop sucks and the villain doesn't seem fishy, i would give him credit and fold.

You would really fold OTF?
Why? What is the reason? I can't get it.

Me neither. Turn or river could be a fold, IMHO, but not the flop.


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CO, donk bet otf looks like an attempt to blocking bet and keep his draws + set mining playing cheaply in this no tread board.
OTT/OTR I agree as was play because QQ has an excellent equity against his entire range that leads us to think his is playing PPs aggro to pot control.
With a set he'll check-raise to extract value!


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MLima1984
Joined: 19.05.2015

My bad, i actually meant to say the board.
What Arnalsan says makes perfect sense, but i think paying those extra 57bb, with that board, is too much IMO.

Since the Hero decided to go ahead to showdown is it too crazy to push the last 25bb OTR? I mean, if he already invested 3/4 of the stack, why leave those 25bb behind? I think it would feel a bit less of a "lets pay and hope for the best". what do u guys think?


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Tonyx86
Joined: 28.03.2018

Originally posted by MLima1984
Since the Hero decided to go ahead to showdown is it too crazy to push the last 25bb OTR?

Yes. We're beating nothing. Those bets from villain looking massively like value bets. Some pockets we had beat improved OTT. TT and JJ shouldnt bet OTR for value.

Looking at the results....wow. We neednt discuss those hands. Some villain play completely strange. There no theory behind at all.


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