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Turnplay TT @2694 3-suited

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Sendrafreak
Joined: 31.05.2011

SB: $1.33 (66.5 bb)
BB: $1.95 (97.5 bb)
CO: $2 (100 bb)
Hero (BTN): $2 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with T♥: T♠:
CO raises to $0.06, Hero calls $0.06, SB calls $0.05, BB folds

Flop: ($0.20) 2♥: 6♥: 9♥: (3 players)
SB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $0.12, SB folds, CO calls $0.12

Turn: ($0.44) 4♦: (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $0.27, CO raises to $0.75, Hero folds

Turnfold too weak?


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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

Against unknown, 3bet for value pre, IMHO and cbet 2/3 otf.

As played, I wouldn't bet otf. Good drawing hands (any Q+ heart) wouldn't fold here for that bet size. I doubt even overpairs with non hearts would.

The villain's check/raise, ott, doesn't make much sense to me (a slowplayed flush? a str8 draw + a low heart?), but I think you're in bad shape anyway, against a unknown player. I'd probably fold.


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Sendrafreak
Joined: 31.05.2011

Originally posted by pguest
Against unknown, 3bet for value pre, IMHO and cbet 2/3 otf.

Disagree, ranges are too strong on NL2, TT is just perfect to setmine. If you 3bet, I don't think it is 4 value. I prefer to outplay the nits postflop.

Originally posted by pguest
As played, I wouldn't bet otf. Good drawing hands (any Q+ heart) wouldn't fold here for that bet size. I doubt even overpairs with non hearts would.

Again disagree. I think OTF I have to bet 4 value against FDs. And overpairs would have just cbet I guess (NL2!).

Originally posted by pguestThe villain's check/raise, ott, doesn't make much sense to me (a slowplayed flush? a str8 draw + a low heart?), but I think you're in bad shape anyway, against a unknown player. I'd probably fold.

Agree.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Preflop is kinda whatever imo. You can call, it should be ok. But I also think 3betting can work well. And actually I think I would 3bet most of the time. I'm not completely sure what you mean by too strong ranges at NL2. People don't know what they should be opening and what they should be defending against 3bets. I assume they could be a bit too sticky pre so having a wider and linear 3betting range should work.

OTF I can agree with the cbet. It is possible that our hand is the best hand at the moment. But we are multiway postflop. Any heart, any J,Q,K or A could change that. On top of that, people tend to fold a lot on monotone boards. They give up easily. I don't think the bet size should be big though, half pot or under should be fine.


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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

Originally posted by la55i
OTF I can agree with the cbet. It is possible that our hand is the best hand at the moment. But we are multiway postflop. Any heart, any J,Q,K or A could change that. On top of that, people tend to fold a lot on monotone boards. They give up easily. I don't think the bet size should be big though, half pot or under should be fine.

la55i, as played, it wouldn't be a cbet, but a bet 'cause we are not the preflop agressor.
Even in this case, do you think we would have enough fold equity against 2 villains with a 1/2 pot bet?


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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

Originally posted by Sendrafreak

Disagree, ranges are too strong on NL2, TT is just perfect to setmine. If you 3bet, I don't think it is 4 value. I prefer to outplay the nits postflop.

Yeah. I can't speak for 6max tables or for the room at which you've been playing, but at the tables that I usually play FR, ranges are not that strong...

Usually people have no idea about what they are doing. Like playing suited cards most oop or playing small suited connectors in multiway pots.
They don't even consider that oop your implied odds are lower than ip, specially against nits or regulars.

If my table has only nits and tags, I simply switch tables.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Yea it is not a cbet, you are right :)
And yea I think we get a lot of folds. People tend to overfold on monotone boards and especially multiway we get a lot more respect. And of course our hand is not a pure bluff. It could still be the best hand but it needs protection. We make them fold their equity easily so no big bet needed in my opinion.


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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

Thanks, la55i.


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Andrepipocado
Joined: 31.01.2018

Well played, I would have bet bigger on the turn, something between 75% to get better draws


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Zotyibacsi97
Joined: 20.05.2015

I prefet 3bet pre with TT w/o info -----> you can play post easier if he call + if he calls he is capp his range ----> easier to play post (range advantage in a lot of flops) + you are in position + you don't have to play mw.

As playd:
Flop ----> (i like bet and x, split 50-50%)
Turn as play ----> x/c 100% and decide on the river (call or bet/fold). reason is ---> you don't have 3 street value with this hand + you don't open yourself vs a x/r bluff + you can make CO vbet himself at the river with worst/bluff. + there is no't much really bad card at the river.


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Sendrafreak
Joined: 31.05.2011

Thx guys!


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