JJ 3bet mwp post flop play

12/6 player on how many hands. Does he bluff? how often do you think he bluffs on that River? Is he capable of bluffing on that River?

I think that you should raised a little more PRF like 0.70 cents or 0.80. On the flop maybe I would bet a little more, but I think your play is good also... Maybe someone else can say something else.

Do you always 3b this vs UTG preflop?

Continue betting on the turn, we still draw from 77-TT and FD. The Qh on the turn is a good card, it lowers the QQ combos and due to our OTF bet it is quite unlikely that hands with AQ and KQ are not in the game. As played I go to call the river, villain gives us a very good price (we have to win one every four times only).

JJ pre flop do u think bad play 3bet? JJ really better what villain open range, even if really tight. 88++ and AQo and JJ very good for 3bet for these range.

9BB standard 3bet raise pre flop, 10BB oop, but mp2, maybe you have right, lot of active players behind me, so i would better played with me less 0.60 or 0.70 pre flop 3bet raise. Turn bet interesting, i thinked for this move, but i bet can i able to fold if someone raise? And i pot commited if i cbet the turn.

Thanks, but i guess utg call post flop is very bad 88. What did he think, i cbet the air? And even if thinked i raise AsKs or AsQs i had got 14-15 outs against him. I don't understand utg play.

What range will villain defend with vs 3b? Is it a profittable 3b?

lol wtf is this spot
Without info or if they are so nit, I would give up..

Originally posted by Andrepipocado
Continue betting on the turn

Are you serious ? This is 240bb deep......................................

With so many callers the pot will grow big. We can stop investing on turn.

Originally posted by nitrol
What range will villain defend with vs 3b? Is it a profittable 3b?

As you see profitable, if he defend almost any pairs 55-1010. I don't think JJ better play just call and wait for set or give up. Because if flop come ace, king or queen and this is mwp almost always i have to give up and fold post flop 4th premium hand. So yes definetely better play 3bet pre flop JJ, especially MP2, i haven't got position even lot of active player behind me.

JJ is wait too loose to 3-bet in this positon. If you 3-bet JJ ur overall 3-bet stat in this position should be 10%+, which is way too high. A 18/13 player will most likly not open 55 etc. I assume you 3 bet bluff too, obv.

As played is a turnbet viable imo. A check is ok too. River is a fold.

What do you think others, 3bet JJ is too loose NL5 and NL10 FR? I disagree with this.

How will 10% my 3bet range overall? This average 3bet range is TT+, AKs, AQo+, KQo about 5.3%.

Mp2 i have got JJ, and i call, or mp1, mp3. CO and BU easy call pre flop any suited cards, pairs, broadways suited laps, so about 67s-109s and 22-99 and J10s+, Q10s+, -K10s+. And here two blinds who often call mwp. And if board comes overlaps, q, k or ace mwp i can't call one street especailly if i'm middle. So 4th premium hand if someone raise before me i will play set hunter and give up? I think is really -EV with jacks.

Average open raise range pre flop, fr NL5 and NL10 about these: 66+,ATs+,KJs+,QJs,AJo+,KQo. I have got 58% these range and almost nothing what he folded pre flop against if i 3bet.

Vs UTG it is ok to 3b QQ+... JJ is loose...
Will you fold vs 4b? AQo is 3b/fold.

I do agree that 3betting JJ from MP1 against UTG open is a bit loose. Notice that there are only 7 players here and while the hand shows villain as MP1 he is really the frist one raising and we are acting right after him. But anyway if there would be more players and we wouldn't be on MP1 I would still just call.

In 6max I do mix it a little bit and do 3bet there. I'm not sure how much we should adjust in full ring but if imo it is not a clear 3bet every time in 6max then it probably shouldn't be a 3bet at all in full ring.

Originally posted by ToddBrunson
What do you think others, 3bet JJ is too loose NL5 and NL10 FR? I disagree with this.

How will 10% my 3bet range overall? This average 3bet range is TT+, AKs, AQo+, KQo about 5.3%.

Mp2 i have got JJ, and i call, or mp1, mp3. CO and BU easy call pre flop any suited cards, pairs, broadways suited laps, so about 67s-109s and 22-99 and J10s+, Q10s+, -K10s+. And here two blinds who often call mwp. And if board comes overlaps, q, k or ace mwp i can't call one street especailly if i'm middle. So 4th premium hand if someone raise before me i will play set hunter and give up? I think is really -EV with jacks.

Average open raise range pre flop, fr NL5 and NL10 about these: 66+,ATs+,KJs+,QJs,AJo+,KQo. I have got 58% these range and almost nothing what he folded pre flop against if i 3bet.

Sry to bump but i didnt see the reply. I wrote "i assume you 3 bet bluff too, obv."

Ur range: TT+, AKs, AQo, KQo. You have 46 value combos and 12 bluffcombos. This is by far not enough bluffpart in your range imo.

Further you ve to 3-bet (and most times) / fold JJ. Which is pretty much a waste.

Then you strengthen your calling range, when you JJ.

I would probably call the river. I think the discuss wanted to be about postflop play, not how much profitable is 3bet preflop, imo 3bet JJ isn't a mistake, but see no reason to analyze it deeper.
OTR BB player has a decent amount of busted draws+ hasn't that many sets except of 88 - he should raise the sets already OTF. He may also use this sizing as a block bet with 8x,99-TT. And MP player hasn't that many Qx since he checked OTT.

So utg1-2 or even if villain open raised come mp3, co i always just call JJ, from button to big blinds. And i hunt the set and if board not comes jack and board high J+ i just give up every time. Good plan for me.

What do you play JJ SB and BB if utg1-2, mp1 open raise the villain, just call oop? And if you call mp2-co and bu 3bet just call 3bet oop and what do you plan? Check/call if board low and check fold if board high?

Originally posted by ToddBrunson
So utg1-2 or even if villain open raised come mp3, co i always just call JJ, from button to big blinds. And i hunt the set and if board not comes jack and board high J+ i just give up every time. Good plan for me.

What do you play JJ SB and BB if utg1-2, mp1 open raise the villain, just call oop? And if you call mp2-co and bu 3bet just call 3bet oop and what do you plan? Check/call if board low and check fold if board high?

First part. Did I say, that i flat a co opener with JJ? I said i do not 3-bet a 18/13 nit, who opens from utg, with JJ. And said that it is a clear fault to do so.

Against a standard Co or bu openraiser we should be 3-bet wider then a utg opener. So against a co/bu/mp opener i 3-bet JJ. AND i 3-bet JJ against a maniac, who opens 40% from Utg. And i appreciate, if you stop comments like "good plan for me.". I dont ve to discuss strategy with you, and maybe im even wrong, but comments like that doesnt help a mature discussion. Btw i give you arguments, why i play JJ like that (3-bet/fold is waste, strengthen cc range).

A counterquestion: Do think its better to 3bet and then there is a baord of A, K, Q? What do you do? cbet and pray for a fold? There are always bad board for pretty much any Hand you can open preflop. So you learn how to play them.

Yepp, i most likely only call with JJ in SB and BB when a 18/13 nit or UTG. AND btw i may change my mind, when it is a squeeze spot.

I 3-bet against a standard Co or and sometimes against a HJ or.

Again what do you do in a 3 bet pot, when you dont hit a set?

If the board high comes ace or king, sometimes bet or check, i like diversely play. If the board low always cbet the better this limit. Check-raise can be good if the board low, but i guess not micro limit.

If you are the 3 bettor - you should attack any Axx, Kxx board.