is it possible to lay down this hand ?

Yes. River raises are almost always the nuts.
It is clear that any Q makes a straight. You did 3 barrel and bet pot OTR so you look quite strong here. If villain has a Q it doesn't make much sense for him to raise it because he would most likely be splitting or be behind against a full house. He did min-raise you which makes this look like value. If you look like you have a strong hand, would he try to bluff you out with a min raise?

The river raises are so rarely bluffed that you should really overfold a lot. For example when you have a 3rd or 4th nut flush and you get raised, I wouldn't blame you for folding. It is super difficult to press the fold button with very strong hands but if you open your tracking software and see how you are doing when you call a river raise, you will see that you are losing tons of money.

thx a lot la55i

i think u should've check/call that river. or bet / call it. but never re-raise

I'm just calling his raise because of the rake.
It's clear that the both of you have a hand, so just call and avoid giving the room so many rake. Besides, you spend less if he has a full-house.

Originally posted by zetozinho
I'm just calling his raise because of the rake.
It's clear that the both of you have a hand, so just call and avoid giving the room so many rake. Besides, you spend less if he has a full-house.

I think we call here 100% of the time cause it doesnt make sense to 3-bet at all. We wont get called by worse.

i think its a c/c otr btw.

We can call the river raise but not invest more in this pot. What will you achieve by re-raising except paying more to hands that beat you?

Originally posted by TyCobb

Originally posted by zetozinho
I'm just calling his raise because of the rake.
It's clear that the both of you have a hand, so just call and avoid giving the room so many rake. Besides, you spend less if he has a full-house.

I think we call here 100% of the time cause it doesnt make sense to 3-bet at all. We wont get called by worse.
i think its a c/c otr btw.

We're obviously calling here 100%. 3betting the river is pointless because:
- If he has a Q (very likely) it's a split pot and you lose money due to rake.
- If he has you beat (full-house), he's not folding.

You could check-call if he bets, but I think it's perfectly reasonable to 3rd barrel this river.

In the best scenario we split, in the worse - we lose to a FH... No need to raise.

Everyone has said it, just call his raise without pushing all in.
I know u feel like "its all or nothing", but its a 1/4 of ur stack.

Originally posted by zetozinho
I'm just calling his raise because of the rake.

Gentleman, can you write your full calculation?

Without full stats of a player or Vs an Unknown opponent i think you should almost always give him credit.
There's plenty combinations possible for a split OTT and also that beats you as well OTR. I think it would be better to try to see a cheap showdown since you mostly gonna be paid by a hand that will split the pot or a hand better than yours.Also Vs Too much action OTR i think it's a Fold unless like i said previously it's cheap.
About rake , can't say i'm not a CG player but if you spend a whole stack in a call because of the Rake it doesn't make sens at all in my opinion.

Best of Skills & Luck @ Tables,
J-C