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Satellite play, Opening AQ, 4 left 3 paid.

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cheers4chips
Joined: 02.11.2011

Hi, would like to some help regarding bubble play in Sats please. Thanks.

$200 tickets for top 3. 4 remain.

Party, $20 Buy-in (8,000/16,000 blinds, 1,900 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: 277,212 (17.3 bb)
BB: 555,744 (34.7 bb)
CO: 491,442 (30.7 bb)
Hero (BTN): 324,862 (20.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q♣: A♠:
CO folds, Hero raises to 32,000, SB folds, BB raises to 553,844 and is all-in, Hero folds

Results:

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79,600 pot
BB mucked and won 79,600 (45,700 net)


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Problem on the bubble is that you need to raise/fold any hand in a spot like this and especially if the BB knows this I would just fold or just shove right away with a hand like AQo. Only if you deal with 2 tight players I would raise/fold here.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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cheers4chips
Joined: 02.11.2011

Originally posted by SDK1987
Problem on the bubble is that you need to raise/fold any hand in a spot like this and especially if the BB knows this I would just fold or just shove right away with a hand like AQo. Only if you deal with 2 tight players I would raise/fold here.

Cheers,
SDK1987

Thanks for analysis, that was my thought, similar thing in a hand but with Jacks, 4 paid $22 tickets, 5th gets $5.

Shove would be an option but think would be bad as not everyone plays optimal as if I shove BB should fold every single hand, but some players will call off with Strong hands.

Party, $5 Buy-in (3,300/6,600 blinds, 745 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): 157,741 (23.9 bb)
BB: 370,527 (56.1 bb)
MP: 109,238 (16.6 bb)
CO: 92,000 (13.9 bb)
BTN: 170,494 (25.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J♦: J♥:
3 folds, Hero raises to 14,520, BB raises to 369,782 and is all-in, Hero folds

Results:

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32,765 pot
BB mucked and won 32,765 (17,500 net)


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mylove190207
Joined: 10.04.2011

Hi @cheers4chips!

For 1st hand I would say excatly the same than @SDK1987 did. But in that case I would prefer open shove simply because BB will probably not call to often. Unless he is fun player and wanna win satellite. If that's the case then rather fold. Other think why I would prefer open shove with that hand is that u don't have big chip advantage from shortest stack. So u need to play some hands and when CL is aggro open shove is best move.

For 2nd hand I would say that it is much different situation. There are 2 opponents that have lower chip stack than u. So I would rather take tight fold here. Especially if opponent is aggro. And maybe u don't even need to play a hand anymore and still get a ticket. Most important here is dynamic of a table. What kind of players are short stacks. Are they aggressive or more on passive side. If they are aggro and CL is folding to there shove a lot, then u need to open shove that one. if they are constantly play against each other, then just step back and watch, because most of the time u will get that ticket without any effort.
It is no unike strategy here. Another problem is that if BB call u and u win, he is not loosing a lot. Just chip lead, which still give him very good chance of getting ticket. And because of that he might call u wider then he should. Also because of that reason I prefer fold. I would go all in with KK+. Anyway u still have 20bb.

U also say that he should fold every single hand. Maybe because u give urself too tight of range. It is not like he need to fold AA.

What about limping? Another nice strategy against aggro guys BVB is limping. U loose less chips by that


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cheers4chips
Joined: 02.11.2011

Originally posted by mylove190207
Hi @cheers4chips!

For 1st hand I would say excatly the same than @SDK1987 did. But in that case I would prefer open shove simply because BB will probably not call to often. Unless he is fun player and wanna win satellite. If that's the case then rather fold. Other think why I would prefer open shove with that hand is that u don't have big chip advantage from shortest stack. So u need to play some hands and when CL is aggro open shove is best move.

For 2nd hand I would say that it is much different situation. There are 2 opponents that have lower chip stack than u. So I would rather take tight fold here. Especially if opponent is aggro. And maybe u don't even need to play a hand anymore and still get a ticket. Most important here is dynamic of a table. What kind of players are short stacks. Are they aggressive or more on passive side. If they are aggro and CL is folding to there shove a lot, then u need to open shove that one. if they are constantly play against each other, then just step back and watch, because most of the time u will get that ticket without any effort.
It is no unike strategy here. Another problem is that if BB call u and u win, he is not loosing a lot. Just chip lead, which still give him very good chance of getting ticket. And because of that he might call u wider then he should. Also because of that reason I prefer fold. I would go all in with KK+. Anyway u still have 20bb.

U also say that he should fold every single hand. Maybe because u give urself too tight of range. It is not like he need to fold AA.

What about limping? Another nice strategy against aggro guys BVB is limping. U loose less chips by that

Appreciate the in depth breakdown. Thank you.


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Satellites like those are more like SNGs so the same strategies apply. On the Bubble it's more a PUSH / FOLD situation Following ICM depending on other Stack Sizes. Then you can slightly deviate from ICM with specific reads on opponents. Tighten UP or Loosen UP the ranges but no room for impros on the Bubble of a Sat IMO.

Best of Skills & Luck @ Tables ,
OldSchoolPapa.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

The big difference with a SNG is that the bubble factor of a satellite is huge in compare with any bubble of any SNG or MTT format. It's the same bubble factor as a double or nothing SNG.


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