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30k hands of plo2

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Belijaal
Joined: 25.09.2018

Hello everyone,

I've recently started a challenge of playing 30k hands of plo2. Inspired by the challenges and videos of Kybberi I plan to take poker a bit more seriously after a few years of being a recreational player. My long term goals are improving my plo game and moving up the stakes.

The first step on the way is playing 30k hands of plo2. This probably doesn't sound like a big deal to most but for me personally it really is. Tilt is a huge problem for me and I usually start moving up the stakes chasing losses after a bad beat or a cooler. While I'll try to play to the best of my ability and of course trying to increase my bankroll, it is mostly a challenge of discipline.

I've signed up on pokerstrategy.com not long ago and bought tracking software (gold status stems from buying that). Since my pokerstars account can't be tracked I made an account on PartyPoker and will be playing there.

Obviously I'm running hot right now which makes sticking to the challenge easy. We'll see how it goes when I don't run that good anymore.

Hands: 2200/30000

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.


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pizdunar
Joined: 01.08.2014

Will be following. Keep up posted. gl


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Belijaal
Joined: 25.09.2018

partypoker - $0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 413.5 BB
UTG: 71 BB
MP: 246 BB
CO: 100 BB
Hero (BTN): 116 BB
SB: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8♦ J♦ A♦ 7♥

UTG raises to 3.5 BB, MP calls 3.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 3.5 BB, fold, BB calls 2.5 BB

Flop: (14.5 BB, 4 players) 9♠ K♣ 6♦
BB checks, UTG bets 14 BB, fold, Hero calls 14 BB, BB raises to 70 BB, UTG calls 53.5 BB and is all-in, Hero raises to 112.5 BB and is all-in, BB calls 42.5 BB

Turn: (307 BB, 3 players) Q♦

River: (307 BB, 3 players) 2♥

BB shows K♠ K♦ 6♥ 8♣ (Three of a Kind, Kings)

Main Pot [217 BB]: (Pre 35%, Flop 51%, Turn 25%)
Side Pot#1 [90 BB]: (Pre 53%, Flop 72%, Turn 69%)

UTG shows 3♣ J♠ T♣ 8♠ (Straight, King High)

Main Pot [217 BB]: (Pre 33%, Flop 27%, Turn 53%)

Hero shows 8♦ J♦ A♦ 7♥ (High Card, Ace)

Main Pot [217 BB]: (Pre 33%, Flop 22%, Turn 22%)
Side Pot#1 [90 BB]: (Pre 47%, Flop 28%, Turn 31%)

BB wins 85.5 BB
UTG wins 206.5 BB

Did I misplay that hand? I thought the hand was good enough to call on the button. It was probably a bad idea to go broke on the flop since a T makes a higher straight possible and the backdoor flush draw is hindered by having 3 spades.


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Lasso
Joined: 26.06.2006

yea misplayed. considering the high rake you should play really tight on plo2. i fold this hand preflop as it has three diamonds. 4betting is out of the question as it doesnt have good blockers and utg range should be a little stronger. if it was AdJd7x8x calling can be reasonable as youre on the btn too. you got bare osed straightdraw with a backdoor fd. your hand will be domated by many other hands. for example 78TJ,789T,678T,TJQK,9TJQ,8TJQ and so on. on top youre not closing the action and someone can raise behind you which is really bad.

you should also reconsider the 30k hands challenge. playing plo2 is literally a waste of time and with the high rake you dont do yourself a favour either. i recommend you to move up as soon as the bankroll allows it and you feel ready. from experience i can tell you thst theres not much of a difference between pl2 and pl10. so make sure to advance asap to avoid the high rake.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

From experience there is a huge difference between PLO2 and PLO10. And the rake is the same (although at Stars PLO2 might have smaller). It's better to win at PLO2 than lose at PLO10. PLO5 is a lot closer to PLO2 than it is to PLO10.

And if one goal is to work on mental game and tilt issues, PLO2 is A LOT better choice than PLO10. And in PLO2 you can still make money:

For mental game, I can't address enough Mental Game of Poker, you can get it as free audio book too: Free copy of Mental Game of Poker

For the open-ender hand, it's quite simple situation of implied odds and outs. You don't get enough implied odds to draw that, as you have only 4 outs to nuts.


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Belijaal
Joined: 25.09.2018

Originally posted by Lasso
yea misplayed. considering the high rake you should play really tight on plo2. i fold this hand preflop as it has three diamonds. 4betting is out of the question as it doesnt have good blockers and utg range should be a little stronger. if it was AdJd7x8x calling can be reasonable as youre on the btn too. you got bare osed straightdraw with a backdoor fd. your hand will be domated by many other hands. for example 78TJ,789T,678T,TJQK,9TJQ,8TJQ and so on. on top youre not closing the action and someone can raise behind you which is really bad.

you should also reconsider the 30k hands challenge. playing plo2 is literally a waste of time and with the high rake you dont do yourself a favour either. i recommend you to move up as soon as the bankroll allows it and you feel ready. from experience i can tell you thst theres not much of a difference between pl2 and pl10. so make sure to advance asap to avoid the high rake.

Thank you Lasso.


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Belijaal
Joined: 25.09.2018

Originally posted by Kyyberi
From experience there is a huge difference between PLO2 and PLO10. And the rake is the same (although at Stars PLO2 might have smaller). It's better to win at PLO2 than lose at PLO10. PLO5 is a lot closer to PLO2 than it is to PLO10.

And if one goal is to work on mental game and tilt issues, PLO2 is A LOT better choice than PLO10. And in PLO2 you can still make money:

For mental game, I can't address enough Mental Game of Poker, you can get it as free audio book too: Free copy of Mental Game of Poker

For the open-ender hand, it's quite simple situation of implied odds and outs. You don't get enough implied odds to draw that, as you have only 4 outs to nuts.

Thanks Kybberi, I will definately check out that audio book.


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deralte71
Joined: 09.08.2010

I’m also starting on PLO myself, Will try to follow your progress. Good Luck


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Belijaal
Joined: 25.09.2018

I haven't been able to get a lot of volume in but I'll post an update anyway. Hopefully life will be less busy soon and i can dedicate more time to playing and studying plo. It has been somewhat swingy as expected but I'm still running good after an admiteddly small sample size.

Hands: 4108/30000


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Belijaal
Joined: 25.09.2018

Was it correct to go broke on the flop with overpair and nf draw in this 4-way pot?

partypoker - $0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 33.5 BB
BB: 467.5 BB
UTG: 129.5 BB
CO: 85 BB
Hero (BTN): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, CO posts penalty blind 1.5 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 3 BB) Hero has A♠ 7♦ 2♠ A♣

UTG calls 1 BB, CO checks, Hero raises to 5.5 BB, SB calls 5 BB, fold, UTG calls 4.5 BB, CO calls 4.5 BB

Flop: (23.5 BB, 4 players) 9♠ J♥ T♠
SB checks, UTG checks, CO bets 22.5 BB, Hero raises to 90 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 56.5 BB and is all-in

Turn: (181.5 BB, 2 players) 3♥

River: (181.5 BB, 2 players) 2♥

Hero shows A♠ 7♦ 2♠ A♣ (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 60%, Flop 37%, Turn 20%)
CO shows T♥ 6♦ 8♣ Q♠ (Straight, Queen High)
(Pre 40%, Flop 63%, Turn 80%)
Hero wins 11 BB
CO wins 172.5 BB


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Belijaal
Joined: 25.09.2018

I failed the challenge sadly. No point making excuses.

I still got my bankroll, actually increased it and will be playing plo10.


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deralte71
Joined: 09.08.2010

Good Luck with PLO 10πŸ‘


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deralte71
Joined: 09.08.2010

In the video β€œPLO buffet (1)” Kyyberi talks about when you have enough Equity to shove and shows hos you can calculate yr percentage against ranges. Could give you an idea, whether the above hands were +ev it not.


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Lasso
Joined: 26.06.2006

on that flop you should call as someone for sure has a straight. if you call and someone else shoves then you can go broke. raising here and only getting it in vs one player is not good considering you only invested 5bb. with you calling you want others with weaker flushdraws to join that you dominate. with your raise youll isolate yourself vs kq and are losing money longterm.


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