SnG STT - AJs in the bubble

hi,

very clear shove. It's just a bad runout. You are one of the shorties on the table. You need chips. This is a good had to shove. I would shove down to at least A8s+ ATo+, 66+, KTs, KQo. If they call really loose cut out the bottom of the nash range. J9o is a terrible call but you want him to make this calls. This is where your money comes from.

greets

maniac

"In this situation will be better to me wait to see others players fight against each other and I got ITM anyway?"

Sometimes you do have to be risk averse. That does not apply when you are last with half the chips of the next stack. Played it right, got unlucky...open new sng! Good luck!

Good Shove , +EV

I think if your goal is to make +EV moves then it's a good shove. But if your goal is to make it ITM then according to the table dynamic you describe it's not. On a personal side i don't care much about +EV or not. It's a good thing to understand but not to apply blindly especially @ micros. EV is Expected Value and in my opinion i rather run below EV and have a positive ROI and Cnet than run with a huge +EV line and have a low/negative ROI. I prefer what i can get to what i can expect to win eventually in an hypotetical futur. But again it's just a personal view of things. If you mass tabling with a huge volume then take every +EV push can make sens. On a low/medium volume if you can make it ITM without busting i think it makes more sens.

Best of Skills & Luck @ Tables,
OldSchoolPapa.

You are the short stack and is AJs a easy shove. It's weird that the BTN isolate with crap here. Also the shove with AKo of the BB is questionable on the bubble without any fold equity as 2nd in chips.

Cheers,
SDK1987

OldSchoolPapa , Completely disagree, I would maybe agree if he was like 2nd CHip Leader, but since he is the Shortest Stack he has to look for opportunities and this is one of those, Clearly.

To me as long you have more than 1000 chips you are still alive and able to make it when on the bubble if the table is very agressive and he does have more than 1000 chips. Like i said it's a good push in term of EV but to me if i take into account the table dynamic , i go for the ITM without a doubt. It's a matter of style here.
Now if the stake was higher with more educated poker player i would more likely go for a push because they understand much better ICM.
But from the bottom to 0.50 cents nop except if the table is filled with regulars on your left you often gonna be disappointed.

Best of Skills & Luck @ Tables,
OldSchoolPapa.

I kind of like the point you made just now :f_cool::f_drink:

OldSchoolPapa,

I agree with you. In a table with players with knowledge about ICM they will narrow their calling ranges and steals will be productive, but in the other hand, as they aren't good (needer do I) the bias against confrontation is in my favor.
I would like to go more ITM than having a good EV+ w/o win any money.

this is regular speed right? non-turbo?

Well if people make lot of mistakes by stacking off too wide we can and should tighten our shoving range in spot like this. I would still think though that AJs is mandatory shove as it would require pretty absurd ranges for villains to collide after our fold to make fold better than shove. In general if you start folding hands like this in hope that you will get into ITM by folding you are likely ending up to get lot more 4th and 3rd positions. By dying through blinds or barely making ITM.

Also i would like to add , if the game instead to be 9Man was 45/90/180Man i would push even wider and before to get to that stack size.
Because the Risk/Reward ratio is also important in my opinion in my decision process. On a 9 Man with a low volume of game played, 3rd places even if you don't make much from them keep you alive but here i'm only talking about the lowest micros. i'm a low volume player even very low but at 50 cents i played something like 1500 Sngs wich is low to be really revelant but with a positive ROI. During that time i tried different kind of way to play , like sticking to ICM to the letter, Adjusting ranges of ICM with HRC , be more selective about SNGs targetting more recreatives. On my side and from my little experience of the lowest stakes it doesn't work, i mean if playing at the same stake without mixing different stakes wich could make us missinterpret results you more likely end breakeven or with losses. I think it's because @ lowest micros if you stick to ICM you gonna have to win more flips in order to win against recreative players. On the other side vs Regulars i was doing much much better , knowing how they think , the risks they are willing to take , when , with wich range then ICM is relevant and adjusting to ICM is even more relevant. Against recreatives i don't think there is magic formula to make you win. I try to do basically the opposite of what's adviced . Exemple play tight early on ... Vs Recreatives i try to play more and more hands early on IP even OOP if passive because even saving chips for push and fold later on won't bring you much more fold equity on those low stakes also most recreatives don't care about your table image. Can't talk about higher stakes where i didn't play much games to have real insight.
If you want to apply more ICM concepts in your game select SNGs with atleast 3-4 regulars. Or play same monetary risk but higher reward like 90/180 Man Sngs.
It's just what i think not a guideline to follow , neither the best advice of your life but simply what i notice by playing 0.50c and under. The best thing you can do is to have a very Good BRM and make your own tests to see how it goes. Try to select SNGs with Regulars on the 0.50c and under for awhile if you BR allows you to play there and then select only SNGs with recreatives or only 1 Regular for awhile and compare. Do the same by sticking to ICM / Adjusting and by trying to play differently against recreatives then see what gives you the best ROI ..

Best of Skills & Luck @ Tables,
OldSchoolPapa.

AJs is a +$EV snap shove here.
You are the shortest stack on the bubble so you are not in a position to try to fold to the money because the rest of the table will just "wait" until you're gone.
In other words, you are forced to take close spots.
This spot is not close tho, openshove and be happy about it, after all it's impossible to never bubble

We already said it was a +EV push .... HRC is great but do not take into account, Dynamic of table and on HRC you also have to change the range of your opponents Call / Push / Overcall manualy since on the 0.50c and under they don't apply the range ICM players normally use. And if you don't results won't be accurate. It's like to apply GTO strategy at a table where nobody will care or try to exploit you ... useless or almose useless

Best of Skills & Luck @ Tables,
OldSchoolPapa.

If it's +EV vs Nash calling ranges, it can only be more profitable vs tighter calling ranges of micro players
I use Nash as a default reference point and go from there if needed

Aggro Micro SNG players with a "tighter" range @ 0.50c and under ?? LoL
Don't think so ...

lol if you think that an average microstakes player is capable of recognizing wneh you push anytwo and call you with J2s then good luck to you too

They don't need to recognize because they don't care much. So they call , overcall basically very wide at the stakes mentionned unless it's a FR room with Tag/Nit Players wich is not the case mentionned in the Thread by the OP.
So For Sure Good Luck To You as Well

I disagree and thank you