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Turn shove after c/raise OTF

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diabloykiss
Joined: 19.04.2018

so I got a good flop and got raised. Paid and when the T hits I think I had to fold. Even if he had only FD maybe now he has gutshot as well or I'm being destroyed by AK 99 66.
My question is if the turn is blank and he shoves, I was calling that hand. Is then wrong?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 131.3 BB (VPIP: 38.10, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 131)
BTN: 123.5 BB (VPIP: 21.62, PFR: 18.02, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 116)
Hero (SB): 106.3 BB
BB: 166.7 BB (VPIP: 22.65, PFR: 18.16, 3Bet Preflop: 7.10, Hands: 484)
UTG: 72.1 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
MP: 98.8 BB (VPIP: 15.07, PFR: 5.48, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 74)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♠ Q♣

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9.9 BB, fold, CO calls 6.9 BB

Flop: (20.8 BB, 2 players) 6♥ K♣ 9♥
Hero bets 11.5 BB, CO raises to 35 BB, Hero calls 23.5 BB

Turn: (90.8 BB, 2 players) T♦
Hero checks, CO bets 86.4 BB and is all-in, fold

Spoiler

CO wins 86.7 BB

What u guys think.


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Fanko
Joined: 24.08.2010

Easiest call ever, he has almost nothing on this board that worries you.


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

I think it's so hard to call on most if not all turn cards that it could even very well be an exploitative fold on the flop right away. It'd be great to have more stats on the guy (AF, AF flop etc) but according to the fact that it's NL10 on stars and that he is 38-21-0 for now I'd not expect him to raise that lightly on the flop (but then again, some postflop lags don't raise pre, it remains possible).


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

i prefer to take a fold or shove decision on the flop depending on whether you believe he has enough of a (semi)bluff range. there is a high possibility that we are going to misplay a lot of runouts being oop, and there is a lot of dead money to be taken and equity to be denied.

it's probably pretty close and i probably slightly prefer folding (any more specific stats might influence the decision, even with low samples), of course in GTO we don't fold but i am not concerned with such matters


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

It's good to know if you have reads on him, but in most cases I would push or fold on the flop.
You investing more than 1/3 of your remaining stack on the flop with a call and that's a lot I think.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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samni
Joined: 06.08.2009

I think there are too many bad turn cards to see one tbh. I think I fold flop because of that. He will often jam turn after cr’ing flop and we’re never happily calling here.


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

It's true he's probably betting big again OTT.
This is NL10 not NL2. I like to check OTF OOP. Maybe with the intention of check-raising, depending on villain. He if 3bets OTF you have a easier decision.


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