Germanys next grindette: Just for fun! (Sit and) go, girl!

I don't know if PT4 has some similar function but this is what I told you about. So, for example, if we take the first line we can see that I had:
-AA/AQs/ATs, etc in the expected frequency
-AKs, A8s-A5s more often than expected
-AJs/A3s less often than expected.

In a short sample is means nothing because you might get lots of "AA" in early game and none when you need them later in game. It just helps to shake out thet feeling that we don't get hands. I would't call yours a short sample (not like mine, anyway) but if you feel like you're doing good, just keep at it, it will eventually turn around! If you feel like there is something to be done, then do it, because you are not playing fot he fun of playing. You want to win, not just go all in and suckout on some people on a sunday like some do. (Well, we do, too , but that's a means to other things, not the final goal )

GL, Prim!

Edit: For curiosity I took some filters out and this is what happened...

Prim, why don't you just ask Honigmund what you should play and follow his advice regardless of the short-term monetary results?

Originally posted by tonypmm
Prim, why don't you just ask Honigmund what you should play and follow his advice regardless of the short-term monetary results?

Tony, because I have to find out myself, what is the most suitable for me. ♠_grin: Honigmund cannot creep into my mind and then foresee what Prim likes or not. ♠_ugly: I have to find out myself. Everybody has to find out themselves.

The problem lies in my struggle with the mental game at the moment. The challenge is to go through the downswing with as little damage to BR and soul as possible.

Goals for the near future

So with this (my post above) said my future plans are:

*moving down in limits
*avoiding tilt
*trying to improve
*keeping up good mood
*staying positive

I´m focussing especially on the last two points, it´s important that I do not loose self-esteem and not give up hope that my "luck" will turn around one day. Fortunately I still win in CG and PLO-CG which buffers the losses from MTTs a bit. Could buffer a big loss last week with NLHE- and PLO-CG, and today, I buffered again MTT-losses with PLO.

Originally posted by Primrose6789
it´s important that I do not loose self-esteem

This is what coaches help with, especially at poker formats like MTTs where it's hard to quantify the skill level basing on results, and input from an expert is the best known shortcut for determining one's skill level.

Originally posted by tonypmm

Originally posted by Primrose6789
it´s important that I do not loose self-esteem

This is what coaches help with, especially at poker formats like MTTs where it's hard to quantify the skill level basing on results, and input from an expert is the best known shortcut for determining one's skill level.

Well that´s what Honigmund does and believe me: He´s fussy when it comes to playing a hand and that´s good! I´m learning a LOT - but what should poor Honigmund say when it´s very clear that I loose a hand due to bad luck? "Go through it", what else is there to say?

I´m looking for lot and lots of things which take away "the pain". Downswing is pain for everybody and there´s nothing you can do about it except for avoiding tilt, staying positive, not loosing faith, not loosing motivation, not loosing self-esteem and going through it with minimum damage!

Originally posted by Primrose6789
what should poor Honigmund say when it´s very clear that I loose a hand due to bad luck? "Go through it", what else is there to say?

What else is there to say? Maybe something along the lines of "Well played, Prim! That's exactly how you were supposed to play in this spot. Keep up the good job!"

I'm sure you've heard about the vices of results-oriented thinking by now, but that's basically what you're describing. Keeping track of results can be important, for example when it comes to deciding what limits to play with your bankroll, but other than that, I believe you should aim to get your satisfaction from making good plays, not from winning hands or money.

I know you come from a sports background, so it should be easy for you think of examples in that context, where you can do well, but still not achieve the results you wanted. And yet coaches and teammates would have every reason to pat you on the back for your effort.

For example, I used to do shooting for a while. Instructors wouldn't primarily care about how well you hit your target, but about how well you execute your shots. Anyone could hit a bullseye by a complete fluke one time. I remember getting one on my first ever shot, but that didn't mean that my instructor could put his feet up and let me do my stuff - because he knew that I had a lot to learn if I was to shoot with any kind of consistency. And sure enough, my next few shots weren't that hot.

Basketball is another example where you can pick good and bad spots for your shots. Not all of the good shots go in, and not all of the bad shots miss. And yet there is a standard to evaluate your decisions, regardless of their result.

Maybe that's something you could aim to focus on for your next few sessions. Like I said, I'm sure it's not new to you, but it's something that takes some time to truly internalize, to the point that it becomes "unconscious competence", as it is called.

And yes, this can be tough when you get those sessions where you just can't get decent cards, and no good spots to bluff either. Still, a good fold is better than a stupid shove.

Of course he says "Well played, Prim", but I use to complain anyway, cause when I played a hand well, but such a donk wins with luck it just sucks! Yes, I come from a strong sports background where you mostly see the result of your hard work.

I have painful stretchings behind me for acrobatics and dancing, it was really a pain in the bum bum but with hard (and painful) work I could achieve my goals, there was no luck involved. Either you can do a certain trick or not. Same goes for dancing, you practice and then one day you got the skill. Tennis is about skill, endurance and strategy, there is tiny little luck involved - the net-rollers And of course injuries/falls. But that´s rare. Normally when you play well and play better than your opponent, you win! There is not such a thing like Villain or Villainesse won the tennis match because he/she got lucky. There´s no such thing!

Poker, however, is completely different! You can play WAY better than Villains and you loose anyway cause Villains can win with luck, due to variance. As I said, I do not wanna say that I´m a good poker player, no way, but I think I may have a little edge on the 1-5 € limits? Same in PLO, actually I´m an absolute beginner in PLO. BUT: Most Villains are just worse, that´s it.

Now with that in mind plus my strong athletic background you can probably guess, why I struggle with variance so much. From sports I´m used to "the better wins". In poker that´s not always the case, at least not on the short term. That p!sses me off cause from sports, I´m used to win when I do better than Villainesse. I bring my sports-mind to the poker tables. But besides this: Loosing is never fun even if it´s just a hobby.

Redefine winning. Make rough estimates of how many Galfond dollars (aka G-bucks) you've won in the session / month instead of counting monetary wins and losses.

Here's one thing you could try, and I've seen some coaches go down a similar route these days: stop referring to players of questionable skills as "donks", "fish, "my customers" or other dismissive terms, and use value-neutral ones like "fun player" or "rec" instead.

What are the implications of playing against a "fish"? It implies that they are weak, inferior, that losing to you would only be considered natural, that it is the only result that would make sense. Everything else would either feel like a huge injustice, or make you question your own place in the poker hierarchy. In other words, you feel entitled to their chips before the game even starts - a classic cause of tilt.

Now consider the implications of playing against a "fun player" instead. The emphasis in now placed on his motivation to play. It is no longer implied that he's an idiot, only that he may have certain tendencies based on his motivation that can be exploited. You may still believe that you are more skilled than him, but he's no longer your designated prey, or anything. He's just another player, and you know what to do about him.

Not only is this approach more realistic, in my opinion, but it could also avoid some common tilt traps that we're all vulnerable to.

Harrier: INDEED, it does feel like "injustice" when I get sucked out on. Use to say things like "This donk made an idiot call and got lucky on the river"....or such things. And yes, it feels like a kind of "unfairness" that he/she won even though he or she played for stacks in a spot that left him/her about 25 % equity of less. Or it feels like a "terrible injustice" (from the room itself) when I encounter a cooler or "They always hit and I don´t", in this case, it doesn´t matter if Villain/esse is a fun player or a reg: He/she hit the flop hard while I missed the 999.999.999.999th f**** flop! :censored::censored:

That´s how I think and feel during a LONG downswing. Gotta stress the word "LONG" cause I don´t mind short downswings, can live with those. But when I get the x-th suckout, miss the x-th flop AGAIN(!!), run the xx-th time into a monster AGAIN when I FINALLY (!) get a decent hand which is the best after a long time of folding and folding and folding junk, then .......I´m pretty p!ssed.

Even though I have also a psychotherapy-background, where it´s exactly about this: Turning around your pathologically negative (depressive) thoughts or your panic-thoughts into realistic ones. I know how HARD that is and it takes a lot of practice. This is for managing depression and anxiety.

Tony, aw yeah, the G-bucks, will give them a different name, don´t know which one, but something pretty

Pretty cool advices, thank you very much, guys! :heart::heart::heart:

Originally posted by Primrose6789
Bookai: I use PT4.

Team0zum: It´s of course not all about bad running, many who run bad, don´t play their A-game and of course I don´t do that either. I never ever said that I play my A-game and never ever said that I´m a great poker player or something. If I was a good player I wouldn´t be at those limits I am right now

But you gotta understand one important thing: This is a hobby-blog! I´m a free time grindette! I don´t want you to be dissapointed if you don´t find anything here about winrates, hourly rates, bb/100, ROI or whatever.....
I appriciate your input very much, thank you, so don´t get me wrong, but just please be aware that this blog here is a just-for-fun-blog, ok? :heart::heart::heart:

Soo, let´s see.... this here is Partypoker:

And this here is on Titan Poker:

No graph from Unibet because they do not support trackers and so you cannot track, but there I´m somwhere like +80€ or so.

Resultwise you are far from running Bad really but ofcourse when looking at money graphs and MTT Pt4 considers only Final tables on The ev run.

When I played MTTs for 2 years i always monitored My games on PT4 with bbs won and bbs won adjusted viewed by hands played. This gives you a lot better estimate on rungood or runbad and considers all hands played. This also gives you proper graph instead of chip graph since megafields with millions of chips deep Will ruin any readability.

Also you should build quickfilters to PT4 where you Look Into your gameplay at different Stack depths. Like 0-9bb, 10-14bb, 15-19bb 20-24bb, 25-29bb and 30bb+. With those built on you can quickly see whats going on in you games on certain Stack depths again viewed by hands played bbs won and all in adjusted bbs. If you don't know how to do this I could Post a video about it or something?

Then to game selecting. I made most of My monies Playing at abi of 5-8€ Playing anything ranging from 0,5€ to 15€ (Even up to 50€, one special small field game). Games are soft and super suitable for a fun player too as you are not commit yourself to sessions lasting 5h+. As it is I work on a regular 8-4 too so I couldn't play all night. Games can Be sound on iPoker, 888, MPN, Winamax, ACR, few in stars and could see If any at stars.es and If you are from austria there is a small site you can play on too. Games are r/a games and you ideally register during The add on buying in and buying The rakeless addon. You always Land in between 10bb and 20bb So all you need to do IS wait for a hand shove it in double up and you are usually already at bubble with around avg Stack. On some tourneys at ACR for examples doing this you landed into bubble. Playing these you are facing a situation where you Have tons of dead money in The Pot (people allready rebuy few Times and still dropped from Tourney) and occationally total overlay So you mathematically win money just by buying in. This also has magical Way to increase your hourly as you in average don't spend More than 2hours per game. So much better than regging into some Pokerstars Big $1.1 where you spend 5hours to get itm and shove your AA and run into stars nutz 99 and obv Loose. Again mathematically some of The megafields that Have great structure on them are EV+ due that fact that onetiming one of them Will add massive boost to br. But you really should avoid these If you hate variance. Again If you want I can Look for some games for you as it is basically Even More important than tableselecting in cashgames.

Yes its a Hobby blog but also it is a Poker Forum with players who do play these as profession or are More serious about making Poker a side income. So when you Day you Loose 99% of hands with premiums and your session you were only dealt shitty hands it always rings a Bell of Mental fishyness and IMO is a problem. You never posted The results of your premiums when I asked for them most likely you either knew already your claims were full of shit Tilt babble or when you checked you were winning bigtime with them. I mean on PT4 all you do is Make a hand report and filter The AA KK QQ JJ TT AK AQ into it and voila or Even one at a Time. So don't Be offended when someone Tries to take you from delusional thoughts and face The reality. As it is we humans are Best at self deception to justify all The "wrongs" in The world. And If you would Be 100% on The Hobby side you should just consider all deposits Lost and enjoy The Time spent clicking on buttons instead worry about losses

MTT is a fishy but cruel on The variance side thus I for example play spins instead along with The fact MTTs are Time consuming Even Playing those r/a like I explained. My sessions were on average 3h thru a years worth of games starting regging at around 10pm and stopping around Midnight and then just finish what was ongoing. Occationally a tasty 2€ 2k€ gtd at addon around 1am was The last reg.

Hope this helps.

GL

Team0zum: As I said in an earlier post: Yes, I SUCK at the mental game!

I have no idea what you mean by posting "the results with my premium hands"?

Besides beeing fun-player I´m a total software nit - that´s why I have no idea what THAT means?

What I meant by "This is a hobby-blog":

I don´t calculate ROI or bb/100 or whatever that is. I don´t look at the BR all the time. I don´t track such details. Either I build my BR up or not. I go to the tables for fun and try to do it right, not less, not more. And when I loose often with AA, KK, QQ, AKs, AK, whatever, then I complain and I´m ok with it. Those 99 % flops missed are of course NOT literally. It´s just the view of a hobby player. Who cares if it´s really 60 % or 80 % or whatever? I´m just describing my session from my point of view, that´s all.

Hehe.. spend hour at bed half dead (due battling Norovirus all night) writing tons of moneys worth advice to turn your results around and Make one section about The blatant toxic spew on The blog..

Fully ignored Help! Totally hooked on womansplaining why toxic spew is ok....

Mentalwhale confirmed.

Offer to Help still stand If interested. Let me know. The micro MTTs are very beatable played correctly Even If a funplayer.

GL&HF

Originally posted by bookai
I don't know if PT4 has some similar function but this is what I told you about. So, for example, if we take the first line we can see that I had:
-AA/AQs/ATs, etc in the expected frequency
-AKs, A8s-A5s more often than expected
-AJs/A3s less often than expected.

In a short sample is means nothing because you might get lots of "AA" in early game and none when you need them later in game. It just helps to shake out thet feeling that we don't get hands. I would't call yours a short sample (not like mine, anyway) but if you feel like you're doing good, just keep at it, it will eventually turn around! If you feel like there is something to be done, then do it, because you are not playing fot he fun of playing. You want to win, not just go all in and suckout on some people on a sunday like some do. (Well, we do, too , but that's a means to other things, not the final goal )

GL, Prim!

Edit: For curiosity I took some filters out and this is what happened...

hi bookai
can you tell me where is that option in hm2 to see those hand, is it just for cash games or for tournaments too?
thank you

Originally posted by Team0zum
Hehe.. spend hour at bed half dead (due battling Norovirus all night) writing tons of moneys worth advice to turn your results around and Make one section about The blatant toxic spew on The blog..

Fully ignored Help! Totally hooked on womansplaining why toxic spew is ok....

Mentalwhale confirmed.

Offer to Help still stand If interested. Let me know. The micro MTTs are very beatable played correctly Even If a funplayer.

GL&HF

Thank you thank you - but kindly: explain all this like I was 4-years old, ok? :heart::heart::heart::heart:

Ok
Will try and Make a quick video or something about them subject.

Just easy, short, point out the most important aspects, don´t write a whole book

Only like the most important aspects that help and if you want me to show something from PT4 ---> plz explain this step by step, like to a 4-year old.

I suck at software-stuff.

Originally posted by zyvy
hi bookai
can you tell me where is that option in hm2 to see those hand, is it just for cash games or for tournaments too?
thank you

Sure! Here it is - click the colored grid and then change the tab at the top of the pop-up to "hand count" By default it shows bbs/won with each hand (which is probably more important than hand count since you can try to look at what hands you could have played differently). Be aware that filters apply so if you want to see all the hands maybe you should be in the "Overall" tab or it will only show certain tournament(s) you have selected and such (you can use it to check specifics if you want the opposite of what I just said, of course). GL and ask me further if you want as this explanation sounds a bit messy