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(FR) AKs - overcards in a 4bet pot OOP

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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

$0.05 NL - Holdem - 8 players

UTG: 101.6 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
UTG+1: 68.6 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
MP: 83.8 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
Hero (MP+1): 107.4 BB
CO: 102.4 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
BTN: 98.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 79 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
BB: 30 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♠ K♠

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, BTN raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 17 BB, CO calls 14 BB, fold

Flop: (40.4 BB, 2 players) 5♥ 5♦ T♣
Hero checks, CO checks
Thoughts and questions:

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should I cbet here, OOP, in a 3bet pot?
No idea about villain's range? Mostly medium and low pocker pairs? AJ-AQ?

Turn: (40.4 BB, 2 players) Q♣
Hero checks, CO bets 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB
Thoughts and questions:

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Should I lead the turn? Would I be able to represent AQ here? Maybe KQ?
Still no clue about villain's range...

River: (44.4 BB, 2 players) K♣
Hero checks, CO bets 31.6 BB, Hero calls 31.6 BB
Thoughts and questions:

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I thought a lot about letting the hand go...

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CO shows 6♣ 4♣ (Flush, King High)
(Pre 38%, Flop 32%, Turn 31%)
Hero mucks A♠ K♠ (Two Pair, Kings and Fives)
(Pre 62%, Flop 68%, Turn 69%)
CO wins 102.4 BB


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DarkTunnel
Joined: 14.08.2013

After his 4bet call, he will most likely have pockets (mainly 88-QQ) and (AK),AQ, AJ, KQ, normally. On the flop and the turn you cannot make a better hand fold. Turn obvious call vs this small bet. Unfortunately on the river I very rarely see these betsizes to be a bluff, and a very huge part of his range beats you (TT,KQ,AJ,QQ) With those hands does not beat you he most likely checks because he has showdown value. I think we need to fold on the river.


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IPtkv
Joined: 30.08.2011
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semiramiRNMD
Joined: 25.10.2009

4-b pot and I don't like the check OTF. With your 4-bet you represent a huge strength, even a fish will know that, and will put you on AA, KK and so on and will fold almost anything on this board. By checking you just give up, you cannot continue and even 64s will take the pot from you. If you plan to bet only when you hit the flop it wont be very often. There are just 6 aces and kings and very likely some of them, if not most, are not in the deck, FD, or QJT? You'll be c/f more than 2/3 of the time. If you check now you must have in your range hands that are check calling or check raising, like aces, or TT or so, or your check is really bad.


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srichards
Joined: 26.11.2012

I agree with Hero's consideration to fold the River with three board clubs. The large 32 BB bet is a sign that Villain hit his flush. But the bigger question for me is -- ARE WE SUPPOSE TO 3 BET (technically 4 BET in this case) AK PREFLOP? I know that this is a standard 3 BET for many. I do call 3 BETs with AK, but I stopped 3 BETs with AK because it is a drawing hand. Any thoughts about 3 BET AK preflop? Please, I can use some guidance on this issue which has puzzled me for a long time.


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semiramiRNMD
Joined: 25.10.2009

A drawing hand? If this hand is drawing than any hand is drawing except AA, because even KK is "drawing" to a board without an ace. If you just call with AK than what your 3-b range is? If you flat with AK you will lose with the best hand very often. That's just not serious. If you want to be the "passive fish" at the table, that's your choice. You can still be BE, or small winner at 2NL, but at any higher limit you will be crashed in no time.


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srichards
Joined: 26.11.2012

Semirami, thanks for the brutal advice. Yes, AK is a drawing hand. 99, TT, JJ are examples of made hands. You must draw an Ace or King or you have nothing. As far as being a passive, "winning", fish at micro stakes, I am aware of the possibility that at higher stakes my style may no longer be successful. However, I am taking a wait and see attitude. I will continue to listen to others and be able to adjust if necessary when I play at higher stakes. But no changes now. One of the exciting aspects of poker is that there seems to be various winning strategies. For instance, PokerTracker leak metrics indicate an especially wide range of VPIP of winning players. I understand and perhaps you do. There are many ways to succeed in this game. But I must listen so I understand other tactics.


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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

Originally posted by srichards
But the bigger question for me is -- ARE WE SUPPOSE TO 3 BET (technically 4 BET in this case) AK PREFLOP? I know that this is a standard 3 BET for many. I do call 3 BETs with AK, but I stopped 3 BETs with AK because it is a drawing hand. Any thoughts about 3 BET AK preflop? Please, I can use some guidance on this issue which has puzzled me for a long time.

Playing AKs OOP against 2 villains without even the betting lead is not a good place to be, IMHO.
I wouldn't fold that hand for a mini squeeze and I wouldn't just call and play a guessing game postflop.


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IPtkv
Joined: 30.08.2011
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diniz1000
Joined: 30.04.2019

Muito bom, os comentários do AK, estou aprendendo o game agora, sou bem leigo, mas, vou me dedicar ao aprendizado, obrigado pelo ótimo conteúdo.


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