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KK - extracting the most value?

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Ramble
Joined: 17.11.2008

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

Hero (BB): $10.72 (107.2 bb)
UTG: $6.11 (61.1 bb)
MP: $13.79 (137.9 bb)
CO: $10.00 (100 bb)
BTN: $10.00 (100 bb) - VPIP:17 / PFR: 12
SB: $18.31 (183.1 bb)

SB posts $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has K♠: K♦:
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.30, fold, Hero raises to $0.90, BTN calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.85, 2 players) 4♥: 2♥: K♣:
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.33, Hero calls $1.33

Turn: ($4.51, 2 players) 7♦:
Hero checks, BTN bets $3.23, Hero ?

Lately, I feel like I'm not getting the most value from my strong hands and looking for feedback on things to consider when deciding on lines to play...


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Passive line is fine here as we block villain range so heavily plus 4 and 2 rarely help villain range. So I like flop x-c and on turn I would x-r. If villain has any reasonable draw he is fairly committed but you also don't mind if he folds some equity.

BU would have 4.5 to call for 20 pot so he is actually not getting right pot odds without combo draw or nut fd assuming A is out. Likely still calling flush draws. Likely most of his value range will call also. So only part of his range to give possibly more value with turn x-c is like some sort of Ac5c if it decided to shove river but this line will lose value overall.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Referring to question you made on other hand in this hand I would like turn x-c a lot if flop was rainbow. Reason being that chance of villain having high equity draw would be way lower. Meaning we have less need to protect and villain range is more polarised. Meaning we want to give his low equity hands chance to triple barrel and value hands likely shove river fair amount of time as well.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I would normally Cbet flop as well, but if you want to check it I would check/call flop and turn with the intention to check/shove the river.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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Ramble
Joined: 17.11.2008

Originally posted by NapoleonBonaparte111
Your line should be bet, bet, bet here. Unless viliian is very agressive i dont like the passive approach here. You risk check behind. There us a flush draw also.

As played i will check call this turn and check call river


Originally posted by SDK1987
I would normally Cbet flop as well, but if you want to check it I would check/call flop and turn with the intention to check/shove the river.

Cheers,
SDK1987


So when you cbet here, you're really hoping that villain has a draw that he will call you down with? Villain's BTN range does contain some A5-A2 hands and a number of suited :heart: s, but I think a lot more of his range is a complete miss here...

Interesting - thanks for feedback. It's good to see some different thoughts here and consider the pros/cons of each.


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3CubicPairs
Joined: 21.06.2015

Cbet flop, cbet turn, check/raise river is the line i'm taking versus an unknown at 10nl.


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Ramble
Joined: 17.11.2008

Originally posted by NapoleonBonaparte111
Also you seem convinced that you played your hand correctly then you should not post it for analysis at all Just to hear what do you want to hear!X(

Sorry - it seems you misunderstand me. I appreciate everyone's responses and am not disagreeing with the line you (and others) presented. I think there are multiple ways to play this hand correctly, and c-betting is certainly a viable choice. Just trying to discuss it a bit.

Welcome to PokerStrategy by the way! :welcome:


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Pokamon
Joined: 15.04.2006

usually the EV of all lines (besides folding) is very similar. so it depends on your gameplan:

on a Kxx board you can expect a lot of FE, as you are the range favorite as the aggressor in a 3BP.

so a range bet makes a lot of sense.

when you have a checking game here, i would heavily prefer the XC, XC, XC line as you block TP, increasing the FE even further.


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