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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 5 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit - https://pokeit.co/public/125cha5EZ/r

UTG: $0.65 (33 bb)
CO (Hero): $2.00 (100 bb)
BU: $2.18 (109 bb)
SB: $3.75 (188 bb)
BB: $4.18 (209 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with K♦ A♦
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.06, BTN calls $0.06, 1 fold, BB 3-bets to $0.48, ....

Ok another AK, preflop standard open, button calls (unknown player) and BB squeeze with big size (8x my open raise, he is unknown too) so what is best line here, call for me is the worst option because when I catch nothing must go away from pot after invest nearly 1/4 stack. 4bet all in here is prefer line in this situation?


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jiffybag
Joined: 21.12.2010

4bet all in here is prefer line in this situation?

I'd fold in this spot. Just because its suited, don't mean you should go crazy. What range is V calling/folding if you shove? I think V calls with QQ+ and folds everything else, maybe right, V is unknown.


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LookAwayNow
Joined: 30.06.2011

Just jam? If you want to fold this vs squeeze in these positions it's actually better to just open-fold. Put the chips in. :f_thumbsup:


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

So BB squeezes to 24BB? lol

I use Huge sizes sometimes but that's gigantic.

I actually don't know what to do here but fold < shove.

In theory, AKs shoving for 100BBESS, is never wrong though.

Robl shoved AKs vs Dwan's KK preflop and won a 6 million dollar pot according to JRB. And they run it twice, I believe.


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

Originally posted by LookAwayNow
Just jam? If you want to fold this vs squeeze in these positions it's actually better to just open-fold. Put the chips in. :f_thumbsup:

With many loses with AK I think the most profitable is open fold this hand. With AK very seldom win all in preflop, postflop many time no connected with board so I think AK is the most overrated hand.


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LookAwayNow
Joined: 30.06.2011

Maybe your expectation of AK is too high. In many situations AK is the bottom of your stack-off range. You don't expect to win with it more than half of the time. Most of the time your stack-off range is something like QQ+ AKs, AKo - with this range you're a favourite against an average stack-off range. But if you look at AK in a vacuum, it's slightly loosing. Doesn't mean you just want to fold it. It can be part of your stack-off range and you're still making a +EV play in the long run.

In general we experience negative results more heavily than positive results. Especially when we expect to win and we lose. What you really should be doing is clicking "all-in" and don't care about the results.


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

I have less expectation about AK. Preflop I go all in on positions like CO vs button on blind vs blinds but more times I fold when opponent moves all in preflop. Postflop in many spots we have only aces high and when hit something opponents still better hands (on 3bets too I think when opponent raise on turn and we get only top pair top kicker in 3bet pot we must go away from spot).


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LookAwayNow
Joined: 30.06.2011

What about all those times when you 3-bet/4-bet or 5-bet your AK and everyone folds and you pick up aaaall of that good sweet dead money? I am pretty sure you loose more with AK when you 3-bet/fold a lot than when you 3-bet/shove. Because most of the time you pick up the dead money. And when you fold, you actually donate to the dead money.

My point is, that you focus on loosing with AK when you do get called. I've seen you post AK-hands a lot, but never when your opponents fold pre or when you win at showdown; in all of your AK-hands that you posted (which are a lot) you lost the pot. I'm pretty sure that if you would play AK good and check your database after a month, you're winning tons with that hand.


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

So how play good with AK in this spots when I missed board often? When more times opponent call cbet I can't cbet again on nothing change turn/river. Tell me what I can change in this spots.


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LookAwayNow
Joined: 30.06.2011

Put in a lot of aggression in general. That's the key really..


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

Ok but opponent can't fold and we still have only ace high should again put aggression and bet or sometimes we get very coordinate boards when prefer opponents.


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LookAwayNow
Joined: 30.06.2011

Just played a session with some AK

GG Poker - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 126.68 BB
BB: 121.36 BB
UTG: 193.04 BB
MP: 110.8 BB
CO: 100 BB
BTN: 63.2 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K♣ A♦

fold, MP raises to 2.52 BB, CO calls 2.52 BB, fold, Hero raises to 15 BB, fold, fold, fold

Hero wins 8.16 BB

GG Poker - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 168.8 BB
BB: 93.28 BB
UTG: 111 BB
CO: 105.24 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♣ K♥

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.52 BB, SB calls 2.12 BB, fold

Flop: (6.04 BB, 2 players) J♦ 5♠ 7♦
SB checks, Hero bets 4.56 BB, fold

Hero wins 5.76 BB

GG Poker - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 100 BB
Hero (MP): 101.48 BB
CO: 150.76 BB
BTN: 157.72 BB
SB: 149.92 BB
BB: 100.96 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K♣ A♣

UTG raises to 2.52 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

Hero wins 6.12 BB

GG Poker - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 155.56 BB
BTN: 100.88 BB
SB: 100 BB
Hero (BB): 114.52 BB
UTG: 25.08 BB
MP: 56.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♠ K♦

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.52 BB, SB raises to 10.32 BB, Hero raises to 25 BB, fold, fold

Hero wins 22 BB

Originally posted by aleasy77
Ok but opponent can't fold and we still have only ace high should again put aggression and bet or sometimes we get very coordinate boards when prefer opponents.

Yes, bet. When the board crushes villains range maybe we can slow down a little.


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

And this for my session:

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit - https://pokeit.co/public/225chXcJr/r

UTG (Hero): $2.00 (100 bb)
MP: $1.80 (90 bb)
CO: $1.35 (68 bb)
BU: $1.44 (72 bb)
SB: $2.27 (114 bb)
BB: $2.57 (129 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with A♦ K♥
Hero raises to $0.06, 2 players fold, BTN 3-bets to $0.21, 2 players fold, Hero 4-bets to $1.70, BTN calls $1.23 (all-in)

Flop: ($2.91) 4♣ Q♥ 7♣ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($2.91) 3♥ (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($2.91) 3♦ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $2.91 (Rake: $0.12)

Showdown:
UTG (Hero) shows A♦ K♥ (a pair of Threes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 43%, Flop: 25%, Turn: 14%, River: 0%)

BU shows T♠ T♦ (two pair, Tens and Threes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 57%, Flop: 75%, Turn: 86%, River: 100%)

BU wins $2.79

Aggressive play...


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LookAwayNow
Joined: 30.06.2011

Well played. :f_thumbsup:


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jiffybag
Joined: 21.12.2010

Aggressive play...

:mdr:


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

I just played around 1.5k hands at 25NL RC and I lost all of my PP to AK.

Hand 1:

GG Poker - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB
Hero (SB): 105.04 BB
BB: 104.12 BB
UTG: 106.04 BB
MP: 100 BB
CO: 61.52 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J♠ J♦

fold, MP raises to 2.52 BB, CO calls 2.52 BB, BTN calls 2.52 BB, Hero raises to 20 BB, fold, fold, CO raises to 61.52 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero calls 41.52 BB

Flop: (129.08 BB, 2 players) 2♠ 4♠ 8♠

Turn: (129.08 BB, 2 players) 6♣

River: (129.08 BB, 2 players) 6♠

Players agreed to run it twice.

Flop #2: (129.08 BB, 2 players) K♣ Q♣ 3♣

Turn #2: (129.08 BB, 2 players) K♦

River #2: (129.08 BB, 2 players) 5♣

CO shows K♠ A♠ (Flush, Ace High)
Board #1 (Pre 46%, Flop 97%, Turn 100%)
(Three of a Kind, Kings)
Board #2 (Pre 45%, Flop 86%, Turn 95%)

Hero shows J♠ J♦ (Flush, Jack High)
Board #1 (Pre 54%, Flop 3%, Turn 0%)
(Two Pair, Kings and Jacks)
Board #2 (Pre 55%, Flop 14%, Turn 5%)

CO wins 62.32 BB
CO wins 62.32 BB

Hand 2:

GG Poker - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 101.4 BB
Hero (SB): 239.96 BB
BB: 106.48 BB
UTG: 68.64 BB
MP: 183.56 BB
CO: 130.92 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q♦ Q♥

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.52 BB, fold, Hero raises to 12.4 BB, BB raises to 106.48 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero calls 94.08 BB

Flop: (215.48 BB, 2 players) T♦ 7♦ 5♣

Turn: (215.48 BB, 2 players) J♣

River: (215.48 BB, 2 players) Q♠

Players agreed to run it twice.

Flop #2: (215.48 BB, 2 players) 8♥ 7♠ 3♣

Turn #2: (215.48 BB, 2 players) 4♦

River #2: (215.48 BB, 2 players) A♣

BB shows A♠ K♦ (Straight, Ace High)
Board #1 (Pre 43%, Flop 28%, Turn 18%)
(One Pair, Aces)
Board #2 (Pre 50%, Flop 27%, Turn 15%)

Hero shows Q♦ Q♥ (Three of a Kind, Queens)
Board #1 (Pre 57%, Flop 72%, Turn 82%)
(One Pair, Queens)
Board #2 (Pre 50%, Flop 73%, Turn 85%)

BB wins 105.52 BB
BB wins 105.52 BB

Hand 3:

GG Poker - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 113.84 BB
SB: 102.2 BB
Hero (BB): 113.24 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 264.36 BB
CO: 117.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q♠ Q♥

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.52 BB, fold, SB raises to 10 BB, Hero raises to 113.24 BB and is all-in, CO calls 110.72 BB, fold

Flop: (236.48 BB, 2 players) 4♥ 3♠ A♦

Turn: (236.48 BB, 2 players) 4♠

River: (236.48 BB, 2 players) K♦

Players agreed to run it twice.

Flop #2: (236.48 BB, 2 players) K♣ 4♣ 8♣

Turn #2: (236.48 BB, 2 players) 7♦

River #2: (236.48 BB, 2 players) 6♠

Hero shows Q♠ Q♥ (Two Pair, Queens and Fours)
Board #1 (Pre 57%, Flop 10%, Turn 5%)
(One Pair, Queens)
Board #2 (Pre 65%, Flop 5%, Turn 3%)

CO shows A♣ K♥ (Two Pair, Aces and Kings)
Board #1 (Pre 43%, Flop 90%, Turn 95%)
(One Pair, Kings)
Board #2 (Pre 35%, Flop 95%, Turn 97%)

CO wins 116.04 BB
CO wins 116 BB

And one QQ vs AA also, which I lost.

Does this happen to me often? Oh, yeah, routine stuff.

Graph for "Today".
Edit: added graph


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LookAwayNow
Joined: 30.06.2011

Guess who the villain was in those hands. :profit:


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

Originally posted by LookAwayNow
Guess who the villain was in those hands. :profit:

Which one? lol


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LookAwayNow
Joined: 30.06.2011

All of them. :coolface:


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

Originally posted by LookAwayNow
All of them. :coolface:

Haha. Right.


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