J9s on BTN vs SB, 3bet pot, 250BBESS

The call pre is questionable ..But you should know better. OTF what we do vs check-raise? If it's clear, then OK..OTR I prefer call. With this action and sizes, better flush is very possible. Maybe he have other hands or maybe even bluff, but I can't see +EV raise here...Also vs 3bet is not clear what we will do...Bluff will be possible, with Ah, but I don't think we can call. And this is an argument for call vs this bet OTR..Sorry, I can't see value in the raise vs this size OTR...

Fold pre most of the time without reads. As played you could stab the flop. Check/raise will be very unlikely. Check/call and fold will be the most common moves in this spot. OTT i am gonna slowdown as well. It's very hard to extract value out of weaker hands. It's a scary card.

OTR i am gonna raise. Calling means to turn our top range into bluffcatcher. It will be way too tight. The board combined with J♥: witch we hold block a lot of strong flushes.

Originally posted by NapoleonBonaparte135
Fold pre most of the time without reads. As played you could stab the flop. Check/raise will be very unlikely. Check/call and fold will be the most common moves in this spot. OTT i am gonna slowdown as well. It's very hard to extract value out of weaker hands. It's a scary hard as well.

OTR i am gonna stack off. Calling means to turn our top range into bluffcatcher. It will be way too tight. The board combined with J♥: witch we hold block a lot of strong flushes.

I agree with this. I am going to raise this river for sure but I just don't think shove gets called here often enough.

How often do you expect weaker flush here? From Tag, SB vs BTN...8♥:7♥:? Probably he have TT here, but he will fold vs raise..Or bluff..Or AQ..But with A♥:Q♥: I don't think he will fold vs shove

You will put 200bb on top on that? Here? Really? Well, what else to say...Big balls obv..But I don't think SB have such a huge balls. To call here..Very unlikely..

A♠:Q♠: will play the same way just as TT. We cant be sure what's gonna fold or call without information about V. However the odds are these hands are going to call us. Most of the microstakes players tend fall inlove with their big hands and arent cappable of making big laydowns.

Edit: didnt saw the effective stacks. Sorry about that. I am still towards raising the river. Shove will be way too much i agree.

And he will call here 200bb+ raise? With straight? "TAG"? Are you serious? You are just crazy...Show here the hand from yesterday...But you must show this in "This is madness"..Because you are mad...

No HUD in Party...And some very long explanations after this. Amazing...You live a double life, here and there...

And here the "explanations"...

Can you explain how you have good FE vs two players OTF and OTT you have good enough hand for value bet. They fold a lot OTF, but they will call with a lot of weaker hands OTT. Interesting...And this donk bet is mainly a bluff. Hows that? You bets are mainly vs flush draw, vs narrow range (huge FE OTF and bet OTT) and in the end you call this donk bet :f_biggrin:. Yeah, something wrong with you...
K9o OR 3x HJ is not a steal. This is because there are two guys with 40% VPIP..Well, K9o is the very bottom of 40%...Or maybe not..Vs 40% you are behind, not much, because K9o have showdown value, which you can't really use . K9o it's not with 60% equity vs 40% range...

Calling 3b pre is fine as you are deep with Villian, Villian show be C-Betting this flop almost pure as played you should be betting this Combo for a small size,OTT J9h
should be double barrelling using around 2/3rds pot, OTR when Villian leads after XX you need to be jamming with most flushes.

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We are here to discuss hands and share expirience i guess, not my life. So NoNameHypo enough with the spam and offtopics, please!

If you must know.

Witch means he's been bluffing. Intresting what hand does he had.