10PLO R&C Turned Nuts OOP 3 way 150BB - How to proceed?

This a interesting hand for sure. Pre-flop is understandable that you call with the odds you get. Off course you need to be carefull post-flop. Especially with this run out. On the turn I don't think you need to lead so big, but in general I would just check/call or you face a lot of action. Than I would make a crying fold. Now you are committed against 2 all-inns and that's really bad with the 2nd nuts and both villains needs to over play a set or something like that to be in front and you block 2 set combo's.

Cheers,
SDK1987

Hey SDK, Thanks for the response. Just to double check; we are holding the nuts here right? J9 for QJT98 which makes the nut straight in the current state, and have two pair in additition to that.

Maybe I miss read the hand a little bit. I was thinking a king high straight was possible.
Than I would most likely go for a check/raise on the turn and go for it..

I think the only question here is whether to bet turn or not. As there is really high chance that CO would just check it behind, I would bet for sure. Once you get raised, just get it in.

I think the only question here is whether to bet turn or not. As there is really high chance that CO would just check it behind, I would bet for sure. Once you get raised, just get it in.

+1

My thinking during the hand was that it's unlikely that all money goes in if villians have J9xx without a redraw, on a regular table i would consider that a valid option but not in rush & cash. I didn't want to give flush draws a free card which is why i went with pot/call.

I don't know if this is cherry picking it, but if i run an equity calc for the ranges I get the following:

* I noticed the screenshot doenst work:
34.89% equity for our hand
32.5% for our villians if we give them the same range

Even though we are crushed by all except J9**, it does seem that we have an equity advantage. Not sure if I calculated that correctly. Anyway I'd like share the result below!

Turn: (56 BB, 3 players) Q♦
SB checks, Hero bets 56 BB, CO raises to 224 BB, SB raises to 255.2 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 79.4 BB and is all-in, CO calls 31.2 BB

River: (701.8 BB, 3 players) 6♠

that it's unlikely that all money goes in if villians have J9xx without a redraw

haha. this is nl-holdem thinking. In PLO you do not care about that, you benefit massively from set or flushdraw having to lay down and it is hard to get those in good combos variants. Second-nutstraight or worse trying to protect and get 1 street of value now has a hardcore decision for its whole stack. Oop and multiway you´d rather end the hand right now with an allin, first your hand is far away from invulnerable, second you benefit more from lowering the spr or gii because of playability and third pushing the equity edge of your stronger oop range (or the part of your range that has an equity edge). ofc you also prefer to have a redraw in stack-off situations (an additional flushdraw gives you significant equity boost but at the lower SPR the naked nutstraight is perfectly fine), to squeeze out more value equitywise than a fixed tie otr. On gg there are tons of fit-or-fold nits or regulars that are reluctant to pay off big without nuts.

If you have the nuts, villains usually do not have them, this time you´ve been lucky with the fullhouse redraw but if CO bets a lot, a check-raise would have been better (in heads-up you might consider mixing in some strong combo semi-bluffs and put your opponent indifferent = having a difficult decision aka potentially making a mistake).

I guess I didn't even consider us leading might make both opponents fold. Obviously we got lucky here, but what you guys are saying makes a lot of sense. Still finding it difficult that sometimes you just have to go with the flow in PLO. Main difference I noticed between NLH and PLO are that equities really run a lot closer.

Funny how my view once again has completely changes; from betting, to reviewing myself and thinking leading the turn is terrible, to realizing the easiest thing to do if you have it is just to simply smash the pot button.

Turn lead is very standard from us unless we think CO is type to barrel 97. With SPR just bit above 2 getting freerolled is not that bad and we do also have that potential boat redraw.

If we have 300-400bb as well it would become lot bigger consideration. Not sure if it's bad line to lead even then.

PS: Preflop is ok but it would indeed be lot better to have JT97. Key though in these spot to enter into multiway pots is to have that nuttiness. So bottom gaps are not as bad thing as our hand still has ways to hit nutty draws.

Originally posted by Plompoker
I guess I didn't even consider us leading might make both opponents fold.

Yes this is a typical thing consider for example marginal hands (usually a combination of mediocre SDV or draw plus blocker(s) or weakSDV and/or backdoors) that check-call oop because the hand-value is mediocre often turn into bluffing candidates using future blockers and increased FE 3way oop.

Bets/Leads and check-raises are usually similar in handstrength but there are some slight nuances in side-value or quality of the combo that give you a hint if you prefer leading or check-raising. Other factors are villains aggression tendency, as you know we prefer check-raises against higher bet ip frequencies and ofc the SPR (together with future playability).

realizing the easiest thing to do if you have it is just to simply smash the pot button

This can often apply to flop situations where we have a hand that is strong but not totally nuts or nutted draws that preserve a minimum of decent equity but no SDV like Nutflushdraw+ gutshot. The combined equity (more smooth equity distribution on lower SPRs) and lack of visibility (nuttiness) favours raising and collecting that FE. We gain massively pushing out merged ranges bet-folding like naked top-2pair on a 2-toned flop. Against more capable opponents that either play very tight in multiway pots or have more polarized ranges you still have to be careful. A rule of thumb is there is 0% bluffing going on in 4way flops when opponents are unknown.