10 PLO R&C BTN marginal open line check

The title is a little bit missleading. I changed it little bit from 10NL to PLO10.

I would most likely played the same way you did. You get nice odds to draw to a flush or full house on the turn and if you face a 3bet on the turn you need to fold I think.

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SDK1987

Upon review I think the 1/3 pot on the turn is weak and we should raise.

No, that would be going towards an overplay. Remember in PLO the value-part of a range betting oop should be quite strong in general compared to NLHE because Position is more important. Villain should not be blindly 2barreling top-pair, bare overpair or naked flush-/straightdraws so you would be raising into a range you won´t get value from. Calling is fine with the nutted flushdraw giving us some blocking-effect (he cannot improve his straight outs on an ♥ ie.).

The river fold on this blank is pretty standard. It would be more iffy if villain continues to barrel on an ♥ or on a card that completes an underfull for us.

I find it difficult to stay unbiased in a situation like this. if its a random I'm more tempted to just fold and move on, but with this specific villian I have a feeling that he's exploiting me. This feeling is also not really based on anything.

I feel like spots like these are the ones that either make or break my winrate. If i'd put myself in villians' shoes and take this line I have our hand beat for sure and i'm probably unhappy that BTN is folding river, as I'm hoping to get paid.

It's just really hard to perform this level of thinking whilst playing. I guess everything comes with experience

Pre open is standard with nut suit and low card connectivity.

Flop is actually very close versus pot lead. Plain nfd I would fold for sure. Now we have sort of support with bottom pair and bit of bdsd. But that is bit deceptive as hitting trips or two pair doesn't really improve our hand that much. That is because villain range to pot lead here in 3way pot is likely very value heavy and is unlikely to have that much (if any) low equity blocker stuff.

On turn I would not have any raising range. After villain pots flop and we call he has way more KK and in general has more boats. His small sizing is not necessarily weak at all because he now has draws drawing very thin with fair amount of his range. So boats really don't mind to try and pull draws into the pot.

Turn spot is also reason why I said on flop about support being deceptive. We need to call for this price but we should not be really happy about it.

Let's say river is good for us. We hit 2♥: or 6♠: or A♠:. Villain goes for big river barrel. What is our plan? Do we beat any value? With A river possibly some K7. But we do lose versus 99 and KK which are sizable part of villain value range. On any other river beside A and 7 our hand is pure bluff catcher versus big bet (or should be). Now is villain capable of having bluffs here at somewhat reasonable frequency? I heavily doubt most players will.

So yeah I don't think folding flop is necessarily bad at all. Btw also if flop comes checked to you it's nice spot to take free card.

Originally posted by ghaleon
Pre open is standard with nut suit and low card connectivity.

Flop is actually very close versus pot lead. Plain nfd I would fold for sure. Now we have sort of support with bottom pair and bit of bdsd. But that is bit deceptive as hitting trips or two pair doesn't really improve our hand that much. That is because villain range to pot lead here in 3way pot is likely very value heavy and is unlikely to have that much (if any) low equity blocker stuff.

On turn I would not have any raising range. After villain pots flop and we call he has way more KK and in general has more boats. His small sizing is not necessarily weak at all because he now has draws drawing very thin with fair amount of his range. So boats really don't mind to try and pull draws into the pot.

Turn spot is also reason why I said on flop about support being deceptive. We need to call for this price but we should not be really happy about it.

Let's say river is good for us. We hit 2♥: or 6♠: or A♠:. Villain goes for big river barrel. What is our plan? Do we beat any value? With A river possibly some K7. But we do lose versus 99 and KK which are sizable part of villain value range. On any other river beside A and 7 our hand is pure bluff catcher versus big bet (or should be). Now is villain capable of having bluffs here at somewhat reasonable frequency? I heavily doubt most players will.

So yeah I don't think folding flop is necessarily bad at all. Btw also if flop comes checked to you it's nice spot to take free card.

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Thanks for reviewing! It does indeed make sense to consider folding flop. I think turn and river analysis are spot on.