PLO25 AQT4ds flop line in 4way pot?

I think on the flop a bet and a check-back both have benefits. Without reads I think both options are fine.

It is true we have lots of combined side-values (nn-gutshot, top-pair,2 bdfd´s) that usually would make this hand a good one to stick around on such a light texture - in an heads-up scenario. We´d still need some chances to make up somehow bet-callin so early with all our drawing components (passive river tendencies to get a SD with 2pair, payout on a backdoorflush, etc..)

But 4-way a typical raising range contains basically no (weak) bluffs, that means we are crushed already.
Easy fold imo.

Readless I think I'm folding here. Against hyperaggros and recreationals I'd be more inclined to peel because we have a bigger edge against such opponents, and we have position aswell.

I just find it hard to think of any turn cards where i'm super happy to get it in. I guess 2♠: is good but then we still don't have the nuts.

Its too strong to Bet fold with backdoor benefits , so i would check call under 3/4 flop Bet

Again in position. Well check is definitely option. Also if betting it might actually make sense to bet even smaller on such dry sort of flop. At least three way I would not mind bet-calling but 4way it might be too optimistic indeed. Lot of players won't have weaker than top 2 or wrap. Versus top 2 and wraps we can do fine but not versus sets.

But yeah this is also weakest hand I would think of calling versus this raise.

What do we achieve with a call? Turn SPR is about 1, what turns we are folding? And his raise is small, which imo weights more towards non-monster. Am I the only one who would be happy to stack off with TPTK, gutter and 2 bdfd's?

I think flop Bet is a bad play. I am not happy to fold to a reraise , but so much variance in continue the hand so I agree with not stack off. It should goes to equity lap and against his range we need around 30% equity on flop and turn to be happy to stack off in my opinion . Under 50% flop equity i always slowplay. I only stack off turn with monster . This hand , when i first looked at it, i wanted to go with the hand so would did Kyyberi. Reading the comments, i changed my mind.

Flop cbet has good sides as well. Equity denial and pretty good chance to get bunch of overpairs to fold. Plus if we turn more equity we can often continue aggression.

Downside is getting raised which put us into thin spot. But getting raised is rare on flop like this. So I would not say cbet is mistake overall.

Anyway I don't see point in flop 3bet. We don't push equity advantage versus any reasonable stack off range and our hand equity is turn dependent. E.g. on cards like 4, 6, 7, 8, 9 and even J or K that don't give fd to us we can fold. Also 3 and 5 are quite bad. So lot of turns where we don't stack off versus pot barrel.

We do good versus wraps on blank turns but how many of those does SB range have?

We need to put something in check call range.

I would cbet half pot with QQ+ sets, top pair and broadways without fd, big Draws.

Hands can improve to Draw, i would balance my check call range. Some sets can check raise (around 30% or more, depend on your strategy)

This is how to calculate

We are in BU so no X-anything available

Originally posted by Plompoker
Readless I think I'm folding here. Against hyperaggros and recreationals I'd be more inclined to peel because we have a bigger edge against such opponents, and we have position aswell.

I just find it hard to think of any turn cards where i'm super happy to get it in. I guess 2♠: is good but then we still don't have the nuts.

Yes I think this is a point to mention. There are (bad loose aggressive) opponents, that do not tighten up much when being multiway. Those often maniac-style players continue their (overly loose) ranges no matter what, against those we can loosen up too making it a call overall probably.

In position against blinds, i believe Its a half pot cbet call to reraise hand. Over 3/4 pot size Bet Its a fold to reraise. With this sizing i would call. See what turn card brings. I would stack off turn with nut fd to pot size Bet. I think we have at least 20% equity against monster and 30% against overall range on turn. He Might find Some plop semibluff with backdoor fd and top pair. Against it we are pretty nice inproving to top two on turn, but it is rare i think. Putting it in range we have the odds to go with the hand. Bad thing inproving to top two on turn against set. There we lose a lot but it is rare. Against a loose passive players i can imagine hands in their range like 3344 5566 or any two pair to begin with.

With 3 players in pot, i think check back is the Best play. cbet agaist 3 opponents is super strong, but it makes more likely to reraise a cbet for a good player, but it is also rare. Sometimes we have hands in our range cant go with the hand so blind Might Find a bluff

What is our estimation on opponent's raising range on the flop?

Originally posted by Kyyberi
What is our estimation on opponent's raising range on the flop?

A taggy core value-range 4way I´d estimate to sth. like TT, 55, 764x, 642x

I would think SB can have some Tx two pairs beside sets and wrap type stuff. But I doubt he would have plain top pair type hands. Some AT64ds perhaps possible.