[Closed] Probably already asked 100 times but... Is poker online rigged?

Originally posted by Berzerger

Originally posted by shane0878
But seriously I do think it's controlled.
Especially in single table SNG.

That would make absolutely no sense from the financial point of view as they don't get any more money from players in a SnG even if they rig the game. So your theory is based solely on your own experience over a small sample size. Moreover, analyzing a few million hands gathered from a platform would suffice to prove that the probabilities play themselves out over large enough sample size. That's how they can spot irregularities, but as already mentioned, successful poker platforms earn more than enough even without rigging the cards.

LOL
I must admit I haven't played that many games so maybe I am wrong, but it's just my opinion.
As for it not making financial sense, it does.
The quicker you get knocked out of, or the quicker a SNG ends, then the quicker you have to buy into another one.
That’s how they make their money.
The longer a particular SNG goes on the less overall return the site will have.

Also
"successful poker platforms earn more than enough even without rigging the cards."
All Poker sites are companies and they are out there to make as much money as possible.
In business there's no such thing as "making ENOUGH money"

if thats true then what about cash games?

Originally posted by shane0878

Originally posted by Berzerger

Originally posted by shane0878
But seriously I do think it's controlled.
Especially in single table SNG.

That would make absolutely no sense from the financial point of view as they don't get any more money from players in a SnG even if they rig the game. So your theory is based solely on your own experience over a small sample size. Moreover, analyzing a few million hands gathered from a platform would suffice to prove that the probabilities play themselves out over large enough sample size. That's how they can spot irregularities, but as already mentioned, successful poker platforms earn more than enough even without rigging the cards.

LOL
I must admit I haven't played that many games so maybe I am wrong, but it's just my opinion.
As for it not making financial sense, it does.
The quicker you get knocked out of, or the quicker a SNG ends, then the quicker you have to buy into another one.
That’s how they make their money.
The longer a particular SNG goes on the less overall return the site will have.

Also
"successful poker platforms earn more than enough even without rigging the cards."
All Poker sites are companies and they are out there to make as much money as possible.
In business there's no such thing as "making ENOUGH money"

This is the funniest thing I have every read!

Sounds like a very inexperienced player who lost some money because he thought he played well but I very much doubt he did.

If poker sites are rigged like you say then dont play.

see ya have a good life

Oh and the thing about "reality seating"

On you screen you are sitting in seat one with the button on someone elses screen you are sitting in seat 5 but STILL with the button!

The reality is your relative seat doesnt change.
A player saying I cannot see the persons face next to you is a well known online poker joke (Although not a very good one)

You seriously need to do some research on odds and probabilitys.

Good luck, I hope to see you at the tables

Originally posted by shane0878

All Poker sites are companies and they are out there to make as much money as possible.
In business there's no such thing as "making ENOUGH money"

Ouch that makes my head hurt.

Please don't talk about business if you do not understand it.

Making money is just one part of business models. The question "how do we make money" is very important (think of triple bottom line etc.), hence it would be an absolute disaster for a poker company to rig their sites.

Originally posted by lennonac
Oh and the thing about "reality seating"

On you screen you are sitting in seat one with the button on someone elses screen you are sitting in seat 5 but STILL with the button!

The reality is your relative seat doesnt change.
A player saying I cannot see the persons face next to you is a well known online poker joke (Although not a very good one)

You seriously need to do some research on odds and probabilitys.

Good luck, I hope to see you at the tables

Well thank you so much for the advice. It`s too bad that with all your advice it`s apparent that you still don`t understand the question. I also think your odds and probabilitys slam should be directed to the bad beat poster not to me.. I haven`t said one thing about bad beats. My question was about maintaining real position when the the seating is virtual. No one has answered it and for the software programmers on this site it should be an easy question to answer, so where is the answer?
You want to talk odds and probabilitys, well try this one then.
If you have ten thousand players on one thousand tables all with the same seat on each table as their prefferred seat, and players leaving the table and tables being reseated as the numbers drop along with bets, folds, raises and sitting outs being added to the mix and then multiply by say a thousand tournaments all running at the same time. The probability of it occurring exactly as this are remote but the odds of a glitch are what??
I look forward to your answer.
Oh and Good Luck yourself!

Originally posted by ChillyDogg

Originally posted by lennonac
Oh and the thing about "reality seating"

On you screen you are sitting in seat one with the button on someone elses screen you are sitting in seat 5 but STILL with the button!

The reality is your relative seat doesnt change.
A player saying I cannot see the persons face next to you is a well known online poker joke (Although not a very good one)

You seriously need to do some research on odds and probabilitys.

Good luck, I hope to see you at the tables

Well thank you so much for the advice. It`s too bad that with all your advice it`s apparent that you still don`t understand the question. I also think your odds and probabilitys slam should be directed to the bad beat poster not to me.. I haven`t said one thing about bad beats. My question was about maintaining real position when the the seating is virtual. No one has answered it and for the software programmers on this site it should be an easy question to answer, so where is the answer?
You want to talk odds and probabilitys, well try this one then.
If you have ten thousand players on one thousand tables all with the same seat on each table as their prefferred seat, and players leaving the table and tables being reseated as the numbers drop along with bets, folds, raises and sitting outs being added to the mix and then multiply by say a thousand tournaments all running at the same time. The probability of it occurring exactly as this are remote but the odds of a glitch are what??
I look forward to your answer.
Oh and Good Luck yourself!

Seriously I hope the mods close this post as you are just asking questions that have already been answered on many occasions....If you seriously believe they have not been answered then maybe you need to re-word you question.

And the answer to your latest dumb question is 0%
I think you need to grow up a little.

I will not respond again and i will be requesting that the mods delete this thread, as this is a learning site, not a site for people trying to belittle eachother with mindless questions.

If you want to learn then please be apart of the community....if you dont you know what to do.
All you are doing is putting bad thoughts into new players heads, this is not helping, you are a hinderence and need to grow up or find another site

all these threads end in the same way. the players who make money say that it isn't rigged, and the players who constantly lose or get a few bad beats say that it is rigged.

once u believe something to be true, it is difficult to let go of that belief.

the truth is that most ppl don't make any money from poker. you can go play a a few sessions every weekend at a casino and see the same results that you see online.

real life poker is so friggin slow... with my friends we literally play at a speed of 7 minutes/hand.

as soon as the first bad beat came, some1 said

"we need a professional dealer here, you guys aren't shuffling the cards properly"

the debate can go both ways and poker sites may have played around with the random number generator....but we may never know.

for once and for all.... this discussion will go no where.

Hello Guys,

First there is no real reason to close this thread as everyone is entitled to their own opinion and they are allowed to discuss whatever they may feel. And as long this is done in a respectful manner then it is ok and i will let the discussion continue.

As to answer chillydogs question i will quote SoyCD as he mentioned it earlier in the thread;

Originally posted by SoyCD
The easiest way to understand the seating problem is to think of it in terms of everyone sitting around your kitchen table.

Everyone is seated in a certain position relative to one another at the beginning of the game.

Now you prefer to sit elsewhere at this table - so the seat closer to the oven. Everyone holds hands - gets up - and rotates around the table and sits down once you reached the seat you wanted. They then sit back down and let go of each others hands. Everyone is still in the same relative position to each other.

Since online you aren't sitting around the kitchen table - the poker room can let everyone perceive the game from the seat that they prefer. It doesn't matter if everyone else is watching from the same seat. All that is important is that the relative position to one another is kept the same.

You don't 'switch' seats - but just rotate around that table

Best Regards,

-Jack

Excellent interpretation from SoyCD I think.

As for the game being rigged, I've been a winning player since day 1 for 3 years now and started in freerolls so have never made a deposit out of my pocket ever. Does this mean it's rigged in my favour? I beleive it is, insomuch as my prefrerred seating arrangement (see what I did there? :)) puts me within stiking distance of the large numbers of pilchards that shoal around my games. ♠_biggrin:
I've even changed my avatar to a nice shiny one in the hope it will attract more of them.
Have fun.

Another way to look at it is to think that everytime a table opens at a poker table all the players are seated in a relative position to one another which never changes. The player in seat 1 will always remain in seat 1 just as the player in seat 9 stays in seat 9.

The thing is though they the table is on a rotating platform

Each player can choose from which perspective he wishes to watch the action. The table and the position of the players always stays the same though - as such no one ever has to get up from their seat. It is only the viewpoint of the player that changes. For this perception the table rotates until the player is watching from the seat he wants to watch much like I explained before (except now the table rotates until the player is sitting next to the oven - he doesn't even need to get up)

Your fear of the likelihood of people having same preferred seats increasing the error rate is therefore unjustified. The tables always stay the same. Preferred seating only affects visual interpretation of what is happening for each user. It has no effect whatsoever on the actual table and the order of the people at it.

Best regards
SoyCD

Originally posted by SoyCD
Another way to look at it is to think that everytime a table opens at a poker table all the players are seated in a relative position to one another which never changes. The player in seat 1 will always remain in seat 1 just as the player in seat 9 stays in seat 9.

The thing is though they the table is on a rotating platform

Each player can choose from which perspective he wishes to watch the action. The table and the position of the players always stays the same though - as such no one ever has to get up from their seat. It is only the viewpoint of the player that changes. For this perception the table rotates until the player is watching from the seat he wants to watch much like I explained before (except now the table rotates until the player is sitting next to the oven - he doesn't even need to get up)

Your fear of the likelihood of people having same preferred seats increasing the error rate is therefore unjustified. The tables always stay the same. Preferred seating only affects visual interpretation of what is happening for each user. It has no effect whatsoever on the actual table and the order of the people at it.

Best regards
SoyCD

Thank you for the reply. It is not a fear but just a question based on my own online playing and one of the things that occurs that makes me question the seating is when you get moved to another table during a tournament. If you always maintain your position relative to virtual seating, why when you get moved do you have to wait for the button . You should be moved to the next table with the same position relative to the button as you had when you left the other table. So if you keep track , you are either paying the blinds more than you should or less or are you paying antes for nothing?
Again I will state what I said in my first post, I don`t know if it is rigged or not.I`ll also add that I don`t care if it is or not, I play because I enjoy playing. I also have had my share of what I thought were bad beats that can`t happen, but then you calm down, take another look at the hand and the way it was played and I find that my bad beat numbers drop and my bad plays go up. I thank all for the helpful responses . Those who feel threatened and need to take pot shots at me for asking a question, are you afraid of the question or the answer?

Thank you , look forward to all replies

This is the funniest thing I have every read!

Sounds like a very inexperienced player who lost some money because he thought he played well but I very much doubt he did.

If poker sites are rigged like you say then dont play.

see ya have a good life

♠_confused:
Not sure what you mean here.
Have you not read my previous posts?
I'm just trying to learn and have a bit of fun
You obviously missed the sarcasm part of my first post
Relax.

Originally posted by Dragar

Originally posted by shane0878

All Poker sites are companies and they are out there to make as much money as possible.
In business there's no such thing as "making ENOUGH money"

Ouch that makes my head hurt.

Please don't talk about business if you do not understand it.

Making money is just one part of business models. The question "how do we make money" is very important (think of triple bottom line etc.), hence it would be an absolute disaster for a poker company to rig their sites.

OK sorry
I consider my hand spanked