[Closed] When it's time to realise that poker is not for you, and move on?

Originally posted by Falco84
I was telling from my expirience at NL4. Playing QJ, KJ, pocket pairs, and A suited from position, is quite profitable. I don't know about NL10.

I would welcome more opinions, because I plan to move there in a week or two.

We are talking BSS right?

Yeah, sure. But if you only play these hands or better you're gonna end up with VPIP well under 20, possibly even under 15.. Depending which exact hand you would play and which not and what hands would you play from OOP. The thing is that in my experience the profitable way of playing at NL10 is the standard TAG style. So loosening up won't help you much especially if you can't really play even the strong hands profitably..

I'm not all that experienced NL player so it might be possible for someone with a lot of experience to play LAG profitably but for someone who's struggling loosening up is not the right way to go IMO.

my anwer: if u dont enjoy the game anymore and do it just for the sake of earning money and even that turned out to be a diffuculty /say: if u cannot show profit in ~100k hands then its deffo time to consider just quitting from a rational point of view.. ofc many continue, coz are addicts.. but are big losers then mostly/

oh man! just read your first post /the answer above was with just looking at the thread title..

if u cant beat NL10 in 300k hands /imo even in 30k hands @ NL10 it would have been critical already/ , u re very weak of a plr /sorry to say, but u have to selfcritical/ now there are 2 ways: a, quit b, work hard on your game /if sb donates u i can coach u, if needed:D :P/

if u hate poker, it s clear sign u re not the right gamer's mindset for the game. I mean, this is not any bad thing in life, maybe even good in some respects. I would take a looooong break in your spot /at least 1-2months/ until u find some thrill and joy for the game again. If that doesnt come.. dont play! u ll try to play for money, and thats why u ll keep losing /result orientedness will kill your all objective and creative thinking/

yeah break even is good, been playing since newyear now and more or less broke even five first months then BAM, keep on going bro! don't play for money and don't even think about it, it will be easier if you think your money is points and you just wanna get more points, if you thinkit's money you will go crazy and so on.

Originally posted by ihufa
play sngs, any donkey can make 1500$ a month in 33$ sngs

Is this a joke?

Originally posted by kenthmp

Originally posted by ihufa
play sngs, any donkey can make 1500$ a month in 33$ sngs

Is this a joke?

Bankroll Management

Originally posted by ShadowOfLight1337

Originally posted by kenthmp

Originally posted by ihufa
play sngs, any donkey can make 1500$ a month in 33$ sngs

Is this a joke?

Bankroll Management

[] BRM

But yeah he speaks the truth, he has seen the light.

Thanks for the opinions, everyone!

I used to grind micro sit'n'gos. was running about break even too. but from my experience they even swingier than cash. maybe someday i'll try tourney. but i don't think learning new type of poker is the answer. if anything the only way for me is to improve cash game.

I think playing break even nl100 or above is really good. But nl10? I am well aware that there are something in my game that leaks my pennies. I'll try to looks for whatever these leaks might be, and play much less. I guess my game is too result oriented too. I heard lots of good things about "Poker Mindset" book, so I'll read it. Maybe it will help me improve psychological side of the game.

@TheLastNail I'm well aware that I'm weak player. That's the idea of the whole post I mean maybe someone would be willing to donate time for coaching, not the money to buy one;) If you willing to spare some of yours, I would be happy to get any help improving my game.

300k is a lot of hands, spend more time studying, if you had spent half the time studying not only could you have actually of made money but you would also be steadily climbing the limits. Not everyone can be a high stakes pro but 100% of people are capable of winning at micros.

It's obvious that you have leaks it might just be a few really big ones or lots of small ones. Spend time in the hand evaluation forum, think about joining other coaching sites, you could even make your own video and post it here i am sure you will get a couple of players willing to give you feedback or better yet join one of the many study groups and do some live sweat sessions.

Originally posted by ihufa
play sngs, any donkey can make 1500$ a month in 33$ sngs

lol

You should approach tables with certain lightiness and self - confidence inside, and not fear your opponents nor game itself, otherwise you're done even before you start. As one footballer said (and I believe this stands for poker too) "usually a football match is decided before the kick - off". Your attitude has enourmous effect on your results.

If you live in Vilnius, we could meet and talk, if you're interested. Currently I'm beating (sometimes, lol) NL20 SH, although without any sick volume (2 - 3k hands / month).

Originally posted by ihufa
play sngs, any donkey can make 1500$ a month in 33$ sngs

Then why there are so few poker - rich donkeys around?

Originally posted by Zheelvern
Study more (game) and play less. Review your sessions. Don't mass multitable.

this! ftw

Originally posted by marvinas

Originally posted by ihufa
play sngs, any donkey can make 1500$ a month in 33$ sngs

Then why there are so few poker - rich donkeys around?

Maybe because $1500/month is not enough to consider yourself rich?

simple advice: screw SH! I was breakeven for about 10k hands at NL4 SH!!! With the same bankroll i could absolutely butcher the 2$ SNG players.

I have the same "country-related" problem. Went out yesterday, a friend told me he got hired as a cashier for about 1.25 euros/hour. Seriusly dude? Wtf!?

It's all a matter of confidence and of what you want to achieve. I want to break the 20$ BI, people say it's not big deal. I have to! I will!

maybe change limit ... i was playing 5$ sngs breaking even and then moved to $10 sngs and i am steadily wining and beating the limit.

be creative and flexible. maybe you are better at sng than cash games. maybe you are better at MTT sngs. from what you say your playing style is maybe you could earn some money on $5-$10 MTT.

experiment but before you do that enjoy the game !

Originally posted by marvinas
If you live in Vilnius, we could meet and talk, if you're interested. Currently I'm beating (sometimes, lol) NL20 SH, although without any sick volume (2 - 3k hands / month).

I live in Kaunas:)

I started analyzing each session, looking for the leaks. Also I started playing one NL25 table (next to three NL10). And so far (3k hands) I'm running at 20bb/100. I pay lots of attention to my play at that table, and on that limit there are much less gamblers sucking out on me! So maybe moving up the limit would be an answer. But so far I don't have the bankroll. So I must somehow beat NL10.

Things aren't looking that bad now. At least I don't feel terrible/like wasting time at the end of each session.

Although many people will tell you to play even tighter, in my humble opinion you need to do opossite - broaden you playing hands range.
If i see a player at 6max with 18/14/2 stats i'm willing to play my draws against him and i will bluff against him if flop is wet.
Also i would suggest you to be more aggresive pre-flop and on flop. I've noticed one of you hands you posted on forum:

SB ($12.86) [24/11/1,7 - 400hands]
BB ($12.06)
UTG ($11.87) [28/28/inf - 60hands]
Hero ($16.36)
CO ($22.76)
BTN ($9.60)

Dealt to Hero Q♠Q♣
UTG raises to $0.35, Hero calls $0.35, fold, fold, SB calls $0.30, fold,

Against loose UTG QQ is the nuts PF, you need to push here or at least 3bet/4bet. Never ever limp with QQ+ in 6 max game (or even lower made hands like 99-JJ, but this depends on you opponents).

In my opinion, limping PF in 6max game is only could be profitable if tight players standard raise before you and you want to go for a set for your 22-99.

Also, i've checked other hands you posted and for me it seems like your not very confident playing post flop. There is a golden rule - if during preflop phase you don't know how you will play you hand post flop - fold it. Don't limp, don't raise, just fold it. Whenever you are making any action pre flop, you need to have answers to questions like:
- Why am i raising/calling with this hand?
- What am i trying to achieve with this action? Do i want my opponent to fold or to continue so i can stack him off?
- Which cards my opponent will play if he will call or reraise my raise?
- What is my plan B on flop if i miss or there will be scary cards?

... and so on, and so on.

Kind regards,
Elvis

@Elviska
i have to say that most of what you have said is completely wrong. i am not trying to offend you but there is a reason why new and unexperienced players should play tight. Simply you are not good enough to raise JTs UTG. You don't play well enough to raise KTo in MP or suited junk OTB. You don't need to play 30/20 to beat 10/25/50NL.

You are not sbrugby; do not 3bet TAGs "light" w/ 97s.

Do not raise these hands; create a big preflop pot; cbet the flop w/ your TPGK and/or air, and then ask what to do on the turn when called with the pot you bloated with a mediocre hand.

Do not answer "This is standard for me..." because it probably shouldn't be.

Just fold. FOLD. You can fold mediocre hands and beat 25NL/50NL.

"But --" No, just fold.

You just aren't good enough yet and raising all these hands is costing you money.

Feel free to tell me how you are in fact good enough, how I suck at poker (probably true; I don't care), and don't know what I'm talking about...

But think about this post when you are staring at QJo in MP. Do you know what you are going to do if you flop MP? If you flop Q74 and get action? If you flop J92 2flushed and get check minraised? Can you answer these questions depending on if the player is tight/loose/aggressive/passive? If they have a 150/100/70/50/30 BB stack? Can you think about all this, put them on a range and calculate your equity of your mediocre hand OOP and then make a profitable decision?

simply the average low stakes player is not good enough

/flame on

CLIFFS NOTES: FOLD MEDIOCRE HANDS PREFLOP BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY THEM POSTFLOP WHEN YOU GET ACTION AND IT COSTS YOU MONEY.

p.s
OP i completely understand how you feel. i was a breakeven player NL10 player for 3 months and the feeling of desperation is well known to me. one of the main lessons in low stakes is overplaying overpairs, top pairs and bluffing. just play tight, dont stack off with overpairs when a tight player rise you and dont try to bluff ever on nl10. you will fild that the more you fold button the bigger winner you will be on nl10/25.

to defent my opinion about playing tight on low stakes ill tell you my results so for the last 100k hands on NL50 ->18/16/2.5af with winrate 4bb/100 winrate on NL50 for 100k hands.

Originally posted by silent21
@Elviska
i have to say that most of what you have said is completely wrong. i am not trying to offend you but there is a reason why new and unexperienced players should play tight.

Ok, maybe this is just a difference in what we consider an unexperienced player. I think, that a player who played 300000 hands already has some experience in NL 6max. No offence ofc

Originally posted by silent21

Just fold. FOLD. You can fold mediocre hands and beat 25NL/50NL.

"But --" No, just fold.

You just aren't good enough yet and raising all these hands is costing you money.

And this is completely same thing i've said - if you have a hand which you don't know how to play - just fold it.

Kind regards,
Elvis

Originally posted by ElvisKa

Originally posted by silent21
@Elviska
i have to say that most of what you have said is completely wrong. i am not trying to offend you but there is a reason why new and unexperienced players should play tight.

Ok, maybe this is just a difference in what we consider an unexperienced player. I think, that a player who played 300000 hands already has some experience in NL 6max. No offence ofc

Kind regards,
Elvis

its not about the number of hands but the skill u posses. everyone playing <nl100 is more or less unexperienced

and yes i support your second statement to fold mediocre hands