[Closed] How big you play and how much you should earn each day for a pro poker player?

Thanks for the advice, yes I am little bit risking my bankroll.

Next year I will move to Adelaide Australia and work in there.

Currently I work in education area, and the salary is about $1500. The salary is OK in China. But I found out playing poker as a job is better.

Though I am not good in playing poker, but it is not very hard to earn $50 perday if I play whole day I think.

And playing poker is comfortable. Nobody gives you stress. And you know, in big cities in China. It is normal that we work 9 or 10 hour a day if you work in office. And sometimes we have to work in weekend.

Playing poker is fantasty. And if I do it for life, maybe I will have more time to study and play better.

The major problem is that playing poker is considered bad in Chinese culture everyone think it is gamble. And it is unbelievable that someone play it as a job. And my parents could never accept it.

Normally in China very few people know Texas holdem or Obama, or 7stud, most people play some games similar to Bridge. And when I say I like play poker people thought I am talking about Bridge or something.

Originally posted by swissmoumout
you guys are pretty lucky. In switzerland the average pay for a student's job is about 17-20USD/hr (there's no legal mimimum wage). The crappiest little 1-piece studios are usually upwards of 400$/month.
I think the average salary is somewhere around 4000$/month. An engineer fresh out of university would get about 80k/yr

by the way, before going pro, i'd recommend having *at least* 3 months' worth of living expenses saved up (preferably more), and a very nitty BRM. something like 200BI for SNG's, or 100bi for NLSH. You should also be able to make at least double what you actually need per month, to have a little financial security, especially since winrates decrease as the games get tougher...

Also make sure to make enough money to be able to go out a lot, cause life without work or school is pretty lonely

Hehe . I have been to Switerland twice, a very beautifull country. And I have been to Geneva， Birg, Motrex, Zurich, Matt horn, Luzern and Bern all of them are lovely and quiet. Yes the main problem is that the price is so high.
And even worse was my company just allow me use 25 Swiss Franc per day for meal. When I got there I found that it equals to just the price of a pizza.

Originally posted by warmedia
in Canada you would need approx 70$ a day to make a living off poker and have a decent salary

I don't know if I would call this decent - it is below $20,000 annually which puts you very near the poverty line... (reference: Canada Poverty Lines)

Originally posted by davidgod
Thanks for the advice, yes I am little bit risking my bankroll.

Next year I will move to Adelaide Australia and work in there.

Currently I work in education area, and the salary is about $1500. The salary is OK in China. But I found out playing poker as a job is better.

Though I am not good in playing poker, but it is not very hard to earn $50 perday if I play whole day I think.

And playing poker is comfortable. Nobody gives you stress. And you know, in big cities in China. It is normal that we work 9 or 10 hour a day if you work in office. And sometimes we have to work in weekend.

Playing poker is fantasty. And if I do it for life, maybe I will have more time to study and play better.

The major problem is that playing poker is considered bad in Chinese culture everyone think it is gamble. And it is unbelievable that someone play it as a job. And my parents could never accept it.

Normally in China very few people know Texas holdem or Obama, or 7stud, most people play some games similar to Bridge. And when I say I like play poker people thought I am talking about Bridge or something.

lol ♦

Originally posted by warmedia
in canada you would need approx 70$ a day to make a living of poker and have a decent salary

Isn't that like miminum wage? I am a little drunk at the moment and have'tn worked or mim wage in years but how can one possibly live off od 70 a day? Being unemploiyed for 6 months I was taking more than that form savings a day and my lige sucked.

I do live in "the center fo the universe" though so I suppoes that facotrs in, I would need about 3k min a month to live half decent.

Originally posted by davidgod

Originally posted by GooRukYONG
China FTW.. luv it there
Where do u live Da Wei ?

lol You can speak Chinese, don't you .
I come from Guangzhou which is the capital city of Cantonese province, near to Hong Kong.

Hmm.. Guess wouldnt understand you a word:P I studied at Qingdao, Shangdong.
Suppose there's huge dialect difference..
Its always hot in Guangzhou, right ? Nice place for vacation ?

Originally posted by davidgod

And yes if anyone is a English native speaker, he can earn decent money in the big city by teaching English, and absolutely no certificate is required. ♦

Not just native.. I was gettin 100RMB/h and I am far to bein native ♦
China is awesome country

in 3rd world countries, usually a profit of 50$ a day is more than enough for you.
the problem is building a bankroll big enough for you to play at NL50 or NL100

thanks to this site its going to be pretty easy.

oh and if you're a winning player in NL200, you'd be a rockstar

Nice conversation on here...

i am 30 years old and i was having software job before i started poker. I am Turkish and live in a nice city called İzmir since i moved to Firenze Italy for being wine expertise. I actually just finish my Wine studies and now i am wine Expertise looking for job.

I will go back to Turkey for 3 months and i only play poker. I think i can eaisly make 1500 dolars month in micro limits. It is enough for me i think to have a nice life there but i like Europe more expecially i fall love with Belgium (expecially beers). Where weather is colder and summers are not killing me. so if i only play poker i need to make at least 100 $ a day. Which is 10000 hands a day. If i want to live in Belgium.

I am experimenting micro limits 18-20 tables i made 350 dolars in 8 days. But i can only play avarage of 3000-5000 hands.

My bankroll is 3350 dolars right now i am very healty looking for sure. I started short hand but swings are killing me, full ring is easy and piece of cake at micro limits.

Originally posted by GooRukYONG

Originally posted by davidgod

Originally posted by GooRukYONG
China FTW.. luv it there
Where do u live Da Wei ?

lol You can speak Chinese, don't you .
I come from Guangzhou which is the capital city of Cantonese province, near to Hong Kong.

Hmm.. Guess wouldnt understand you a word:P I studied at Qingdao, Shangdong.
Suppose there's huge dialect difference..
Its always hot in Guangzhou, right ? Nice place for vacation ?

Originally posted by davidgod

And yes if anyone is a English native speaker, he can earn decent money in the big city by teaching English, and absolutely no certificate is required. ♦

Not just native.. I was gettin 100RMB/h and I am far to bein native ♦
China is awesome country

Yes Guangzhou is hot, wet, and the air pollution is horrible because we are in the pearl river industry zone--it is called the workshop of China, where you can sometimes drive several hours in the suburb area without seeing anything other than factories and concrete. So it is not a good place for vacation.

If you go southward there is islands province in the pecific call Hainan. This island is good place for vacation. lol

And Macau is also near my hometown. It is the smallest province in China, and is the city of Gamble. It compose from a penisular and two islands.
The only industry in Macau is Casino. It is the only place where you can play holdem legally.
It is much smaller than Las Vigas, but the casino earning twice the money as Vigas. And the biggest Casino in the world locate in Macau.

However even Chinese people need to apply visa to enter Macau. And each person just allow to enter macau once every half year. And civil server is not allow to apply the visa.

Originally posted by emotv
Nice conversation on here...

i am 30 years old and i was having software job before i started poker. I am Turkish and live in a nice city called İzmir since i moved to Firenze Italy for being wine expertise. I actually just finish my Wine studies and now i am wine Expertise looking for job.

I will go back to Turkey for 3 months and i only play poker. I think i can eaisly make 1500 dolars month in micro limits. It is enough for me i think to have a nice life there but i like Europe more expecially i fall love with Belgium (expecially beers). Where weather is colder and summers are not killing me. so if i only play poker i need to make at least 100 $ a day. Which is 10000 hands a day. If i want to live in Belgium.

I am experimenting micro limits 18-20 tables i made 350 dolars in 8 days. But i can only play avarage of 3000-5000 hands.

My bankroll is 3350 dolars right now i am very healty looking for sure. I started short hand but swings are killing me, full ring is easy and piece of cake at micro limits.

what limits you play at? is variance a factor with 3000-5000 hands in a day?

in Vietnam I can live quit well with 500$/month that is not hard but it's very hard to convince others that I'm working, not gambling

I lived 6 month in Belgium (Louvain la neuve) with 1000$/month, of course just enough to basic live (edit: oh and I live in summer, so cheaper than in winter)

I forgot to say something for players from UK, Canada, etc. Don't you dare say things are so much easier where life is cheap: believe me, there is a very strong reason for this!!!

If you want we can make the following experiment. We can each take photos from what we see right when you get out of your house/residence/whatever, and the imediate vecinity.

question to those who are in China: I used to live there, and I had difficulties to manage my BR (I mean cashouts, deposit on new sites, etc.), not to mention the site that won't accept connections from China (IPK, ...).

How do you do these things? Do you use proxies? If yes, do you trust them? Don't they slow down your connection too much (I tried once...)?

To live in Beijing with western standards, NL200 is good, NL100 should be enough, or alternatively NL50+english/maths/... lessons during the afternoons (when the traffic is low on every sites).

Xin nian kuai le.

I use a subscription openVPN to access the poker sites i play on. It doesn't slow my connection down if anything when i download off western sites, mainly rapidshare, i'll connect to it as it goes faster in my experience.

Currently i am using moneybookers to get my money into China although i will try and change the default currency on my account as currently i am getting raped, $ into £ into euros into RMB (But at least it's only a few pounds in fixed fees). There is probably a more efficient way but you are probably better off asking in the chinese forums.

NL50 is more than enough for living in China imo, you can easily clear $3k a month with rakeback and stuff. To be fair $3k a month tax free is even ok in England, in the sense that it's not that far off even the investment banking graduate jobs.

EDIT: Dug up a banking in China thread i had made previously, people seem to recommend webmoney or if you already have a neteller account then that is fine as well.

Well in Denmark the minimum salary is just under 20$/hr, but I think an average salary is 5000$/month and an engineer fresh out of the university gets 6000$/month.

You can get a student apartment down to around 300$/month, but then you share kitchen and stuff. You could live with 1000$/month, but more would be preferred, especially when they find out you earn money from poker and want half in taxes. I normally work for 30$/hr in my student job, and I'm nowhere near that in poker. I probably made 200$ last month. But i'm only playing nl50 with around 10k hands/month. Soon I will probably go nl100, and start using stats, when I'm no longer at cake. Some days I do earn 100 dollars, but the next I may loose 50, I really should tilt less.

In my opinion you should earn around 3000$/month = 36000$/year to make a living, but 100000$/year should be my expected value if I where to go pro.

its a bit irritating having to pay 180% of a cars value to the state, it makes cars very expensive. along with giving around 50% of salaries in taxes and 25% on everything in stores. But who doesn't enjoy free healthcare, free education, salary during education and money for four years if unemployed. I do enjoy my unemployment salary of 1500$/month at the moment, going down to 1000$/month when studying should be doable

In Latvia minimal salary is 360$ per month. I think I could live by playing poker with earning 30-40$ a day.

The minimum wage is some countries is unbelievable you can really get just under $20 an hour working in a mcdonalds in Denmark? and you get $30 an hour in a student job?!

The minimum wage in England for people aged 22 and over is $9.50 an hour and it's less than that in the US.

Originally posted by dwyt84

what limits you play at? is variance a factor with 3000-5000 hands in a day?

I have huge bankroll so i play 3-6 limit to 0,25-0,50 limit.....

But the limit i play for make money is 0,25-0,50 fullring. 0,5-1 is a tighter fullring limit where harder to make money....

But everyday one hour i play shorthand 1-2, or 0,5-1 to practice... It makes me mad the swings....

I live in a small town in Canada, I have my own house and don't spend much where I don't have to. I need at least $25K for the regullar expences. To make it on poker alone, I would say that I would need to make somewhat more then that to account for variance. Let say $40k per year on a regullar basis would be minimum.

Now living on poker winnings does not make you a poker pro! Many people live like this but they're not considered pro. At least, to be considered a pro you would have to play one or more major live trny per month and in more then one country would be better. To be able to play with the other pros, I would say that I would need at least $500k/y of play money. To support the other expences would requirer another $200k/y for travel and hotels.

Looking at it that way, you could see that a poker pro is about the same as a tenis pro in the money department. To be a world pro in any feild requirer lots of money, much more then the average earning of ordinary people.

Originally posted by RjD4poker
Now living on poker winnings does not make you a poker pro! Many people live like this but they're not considered pro.

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