[Closed] 8.8 Aj

nh , would play it the same preflop & flop

flop is very drawish & dont want to give free card , dont think you can check this & shove turn but is a option with less chance him calling but so many scare cards to come prefer shove flop

NH

dont like it preflop.
see the M you got left.
pot preflop is 1200+900=2100 so your M is lower then 10 !!!
when your M is lower then 10 any 3bet should be an all in.
even if it is only a minraise, any reraise commits you to the pot anyway, so i go and shove it all in.

as you can see you have a big problem on the flop, because ANY bet comiits you to the pot, but you still have to bet.
you can shove here too make him think you have AK/AQ and want him to fold his 88.

Originally posted by grummeler
when your M is lower then 10 any 3bet should be an all in.

is that ur standard play?? or just vs unknown??? any position???

couse in this situation this guy only min raise preflop and i have more than 20BB left in mine stack so i thought that all in will be very drastic, couse i never shove with QQ+, AK in that spot... or should I??( i think that i should reraise little bigger preflop so if i get called to have like pot size or little less bet left behind)
imo if i have M like 7 or less i'll shove or if we were in midle position i will also shove but i thought that just reraise will be ok to isolate an play inp if i got called on BTN, and i give him chance for him to shove preflop and i'll be ok to calll that 4bet shove (guess when i see it now thats bad idea, i can see ur point u want to have max fold EQ so he should have a chance to fold his medium PP or sometime even AQ/AK type of hands and thats better than leting him 4 bet shove and fliping for pot)

every time when my stack is so small, that a 3bet will basically comitt me to the pot (because i only got potsize left or slightly over potsize) an all in should be the better play.
and when your M is 10 or lower, thats the case if the original raise is NOT minraise.
but even then there is a hard time to find a good betsize on the flop.
and i do this with every hand that i want to 3bet.
AA or 77 that doesnt make a difference.
and here comes the reason why i do it.
with a hand like 77 88 99 TT ATs 78s i dont really want to see a flop.
only with AA KK i am happy to see a flop.
those two hands are only such a SMALL sample out of my all in range that its better to play them like the other hands instead of changing the "best" play for the rest of my range just to get more value when i do have AA or KK