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drawback
Joined: 30.01.2009

Hand #1
Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 7 players - View hand 592734

Hero (CO): t1420 M = 18.93
BTN: t1380 M = 18.40
SB: t1390 M = 18.53
BB: t1615 M = 21.53
UTG: t1900 M = 25.33
UTG+1: t4400 M = 58.67
MP: t1395 M = 18.60

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is CO with J :diamond: A :spade:
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t50, 1 fold, Hero raises to t250, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls t200

Flop: (t575) K :spade: A :heart: 3 :heart: (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t1170 all in, UTG+1 calls t1170

Turn: (t2915) 2 :club: (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t2915) K :heart: (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t2915
Hero shows J :diamond: A :spade: (two pair, Aces and Kings)
UTG+1 shows A :diamond: T :heart: (two pair, Aces and Kings)
Hero wins t2915

Hand #2
Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 592735

Hero (MP2): t1410 M = 9.40
CO: t1695 M = 11.30
BTN: t1080 M = 7.20
SB: t1315 M = 8.77
BB: t1380 M = 9.20
UTG: t1490 M = 9.93
UTG+1: t2010 M = 13.40
UTG+2: t1840 M = 12.27
MP1: t1280 M = 8.53

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is MP2 with K :club: K :heart:
4 folds, Hero raises to t300, 2 folds, SB calls t250, 1 fold

Flop: (t700) 9 :club: Q :heart: 6 :heart: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t1110 all in, SB requests TIME, SB calls t1015 all in

Turn: (t2730) K :diamond: (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t2730) Q :spade: (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t2730
Hero shows K :club: K :heart: (a full house, Kings full of Queens)
SB shows A :heart: 9 :diamond: (two pair, Queens and Nines)
Hero wins t2730

Hand #3
Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 592736

MP1: t1485 M = 24.75
MP2: t1200 M = 20
CO: t1400 M = 23.33
BTN: t1550 M = 25.83
SB: t1460 M = 24.33
Hero (BB): t1500 M = 25
UTG: t1965 M = 32.75
UTG+1: t1560 M = 26
UTG+2: t1380 M = 23

Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is BB with K :spade: K :club:
5 folds, CO raises to t80, 2 folds, Hero raises to t200, CO calls t120

Flop: (t420) 8 :diamond: T :club: 2 :club: (2 players)
Hero bets t1300 all in, CO calls t1200 all in

Turn: (t2820) 6 :spade: (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t2820) 6 :diamond: (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t2820
CO shows J :spade: Q :heart: (a pair of Sixes)
Hero shows K :spade: K :club: (two pair, Kings and Sixes)
Hero wins t2820

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3 replies
drawback
Joined: 30.01.2009

I normally don't do this. I decided to try this today. The thing is. Players very often think that i'm bluffing and call with 2nd pair and are willing to unmask me. They just have to see my cards!
I know that AK on flop with A high could seem a bad push but i knew my opp had a pair or a weak ace.
These are just some of the examples. BTW, i ended that 16 table 6$ set on fulltilt with +60$, or +10bi.
There was one hand were i knew for 100% that my opponent has a weaker Ace than me, because he reraised all his strong hands before and bet strong. Now i raise 4bb from mp with AK, and he calls in mp. on flop Axx i push allin, he calls with AQo. People seem to be willing to put all their chips in with one pair only.
3rd example.. wtf was that? he must have put me on pair. He called with gutshot. That's what i'm talking about. It confuses these little fishes.
I'd appreciate some explanation from a more experienced players than me. I don't normally play like this, but today it worked 100% except one were my opponent folded when i had KK. And i know that i could run into two pair or a set, but that's why i bet 4bbs.


i think in the long run you are losing a lot of value by pushing flops when you have TPTK or an overpair.

yes it can look bluffy but you want to give them a bit of rope to hang themselves if they have bottom pair or some weak gutshot or something. betting 2/3 standard cbet size is better in the long run imo.

usually if they are willing to call a flop shove with 2nd pair or worse they will either 3bet shove your flop cbet or call and stack off on the turn.

3 hands isnt a big sample size to say that this works often enough to make it good. i think you will just fold out a lot of hands that would have called a standard cbet. you also dont give yourself a chance to get away from a scary turn/river if they happened to flop 2 pair / set.


chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

Hi all,

Originally posted by lessthanthreee
i think in the long run you are losing a lot of value by pushing flops when you have TPTK or an overpair.

yes it can look bluffy but you want to give them a bit of rope to hang themselves if they have bottom pair or some weak gutshot or something. betting 2/3 standard cbet size is better in the long run imo.

usually if they are willing to call a flop shove with 2nd pair or worse they will either 3bet shove your flop cbet or call and stack off on the turn.

3 hands isnt a big sample size to say that this works often enough to make it good. i think you will just fold out a lot of hands that would have called a standard cbet. you also dont give yourself a chance to get away from a scary turn/river if they happened to flop 2 pair / set.

This! Please stick to the articles.