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Gerv
Joined: 07.05.2008

^Why did you called the Flop with Topset? no raise for value there against draws or weren't the dynamics that favourably for you? Nice hand though :) 100% equity gives people always a good feeling :f_love:


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TheLastNail
Joined: 30.05.2008

Originally posted by Gerv
^Why did you called the Flop with Topset? no raise for value there against draws or weren't the dynamics that favourably for you? Nice hand though :) 100% equity gives people always a good feeling :f_love:

oh Gerv :) this isnt a rly good board to r as pfr ;) there are just 3 strong handcombos as draws : A :club:J :club:, A :club: T :club: and J :club: T :club: , everything else is snapfolding to a r (as far as draws are concerned) coz its obv i have his draw either dominated (if he donks with lower dr) or i have top p and he has just pure fd outs with no implied odds at all.

the dynamic would have to be extracrazy to r this board for value and get paid off still without sb else having 2pair+ who is going to pay later anyways. Also: the donker is an agro reg who is capable of 3barell bluff oop etc, and sb is a fish who is going to come along with any pair hand, so alltogether raising was just out of question.


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Gerv
Joined: 07.05.2008

I see now, thanks ! Your argumentation is pure IB level btw so keep that up :)!


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TheLastNail
Joined: 30.05.2008

well.. :) thx. just to add: both were reasonalby agro pf so AK and mostly KQ are squeezing PF, hence their strong value hands are like exactly 77 and st Q7 /wasnt sure they both defend this crap / .. anyway: if sb donks KT, KJ he might call 1 r on F but then is almost for sure gonna fold to further action unimproved, and since i have KK, there arent any K left for him :)

at the point in the hand when bb shoved over i was putting him exactly on 77 or one of the 3 strong draws, then i was putting sb on some strong draw, which i hoped he would fold now.. coz he is a fish and doesn know anything abt odds.. he tanked and i was sure he has a draw of some sort by then.. called in last second and when i saw the outcome was rly happy :) :heart:


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peche025
Joined: 14.12.2008

Hey TLN are you playing on Ladbrokes? Or is there another site with pound tables?


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vonki
Joined: 18.03.2008

Happy birthday mr TT! :f_love: :f_grin: :f_love:

Have a good one! (as good as you can without your partycrew obv :f_cool: )

We shall celibrate you (and TLN right?) again in Prague!

Tequilaaaaa baby :heart:


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TheLastNail
Joined: 30.05.2008

Originally posted by vonki
Happy birthday mr TT! :f_love: :f_grin: :f_love:

Have a good one! (as good as you can without your partycrew obv)

We shall celibrate you (and TLN right?) again in Prague!

Tequilaaaaa baby :heart:

+1 ntg, to add, am awaiting u :f_cool: girls here are ready and dancefloors burning :diamond:


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opal99
Joined: 05.02.2008

damn.. I hoped to be the first :f_frown:

Happy birthday! :f_cool:


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Gerv
Joined: 07.05.2008

Gratuliere senor!

2gr of pot for you if you are in Dutchland next time :]


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thazar
Joined: 14.09.2009

Happy birthday TT (hehe my birthday too)


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TwiceT
Joined: 15.07.2007

ty guys!

just had a crazy live cashgame tonight with our party crew here @ obertauern and i won some moniiez for some more vodka tomorrow @ my bday partaay :f_cool:

ofc, looking forward to party in bratislava with tln and then in prague with tha whole party crew!!!! wohoooooooooooooooooo :f_love:

@ vonki: im rdy for some teuila action ;)

happy bday to u too thazar! 17.3. => 2 prime numbers => super special actually :f_cool:


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thazar
Joined: 14.09.2009

happy bday to u too thazar! 17.3. => 2 prime numbers => super special actually :f_cool:

and not to forget st patrick's day another good reason to PAAAARTY _cool:


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majstereo
Joined: 23.07.2008

time and time again i get just totally shocked by how they play.. fe this hand:

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $2(BB) Replayer
($485)
Hero ($248)

Dealt to Hero 6♠ 6♥

Hero raises to $5, raises to $22, Hero calls $17

FLOP ($44) 7♣ 5♦ 9♣

bets $26, Hero calls $26

TURN ($96) 7♣ 5♦ 9♣ 3♥

checks, Hero bets $54, calls $54

RIVER ($204) 7♣ 5♦ 9♣ 3♥ 6♦

bets $383 (AI), Hero calls $146 (AI)

Hero shows 6♠ 6♥
(Pre 54%, Flop 24.7%, Turn 22.7%)

shows K♣ 9♠
(Pre 46%, Flop 75.3%, Turn 77.3%)

Hero wins $496

we had an agro match where both of us were above 65/50/20, he had been cbetting a ton and just pushing big pots rly hard so on F i was just debating calling or shoving, but yea, since i think he can even b/f on T even with better sometimes i was prepared to stick it in later.

his line at T and R was incredibly astounding to me.. i was b/c on T coz he plays worse combodraws like that obv, and i have a good eq even when behind, also i can bluff many R too, prepared perfect pot/stack for it, but i mean.. why doesnt he c/c the R just?! or c/f actually and first of all: why not c/shove T already?

he is a 6bb/100 winning reg at this limit but i am srsly confused of this HU moves.. whats the reasoning? anyone?

---> also: knowing he makes some strange moves i am not rly sure if i confidently shove if he checks the R to me.. what worse call me? so i just cbeh or betsmall? in SH or FR i would contemplate betting like 1/4 for thinvalue, but can i rly in HU? or set just too strong and simply shove everytime even vs weird lines?

hmm even this was pretty damn aggro match I dont like your call with 66..

U dont wanna see dry-high-card-boards, cuz he will barrel a tons and U will be not very happy with calling down it.

on this flop I dont like to call, even against veeery aggro player :

In this match 3-bet dynamics was pretty damn hard ( I supose ), but look at this board - If He is 3-betting a tons and U calling a tons he should expect U to hit this board pretty damn hard - so he will c-bet this flop with air veeery small portion of the time.

As I said ... 66 plays bad in 3-bet pot even IP
100BBdeep I like to 4-bet this guy or just 4bet shove to dont hive him rope to shove sth like KQ QJ as semibluff....

hmm sorry for my english cuz it is not my main language ;) if sth is not clear enough just ask me :}

best regards

majster


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Kojika
Joined: 11.02.2009

Happy birthday liebe Schlampe (Hope I didn't spell it wrong...) :f_grin:


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Happy birthday TwiceT, i hope you get a nice evening. In your drinking skills we trust ;)


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Originally posted by Kojika
Happy birthday liebe Schlampe (Hope I didn't spell it wrong...) :f_grin:

the spelling is right, but seriously no one says that.
but u could say "scheiß schlampe" ;)


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TheLastNail
Joined: 30.05.2008

@majster:

well, yea, when i think of it more there s certainly a lot of truth to what u are saying, shipping pf is +ev for sure. Though i am not playing 66 to just hit a set or so.. i have a decent hand to play ip and bluff him at any time he is uncertain :) .. that s the plan, and also ofc, when i have a lot of eq like here i am ok if getting called too.. but sth to think abt for sure is that NL200 reg wouldnt like to respect me prolly soooo it might very well be that my pf play at this limit is dubious.

anyway, what i was pointing out was his hilarious turn and river play there. any thoughts on that for this limit?


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TheLastNail
Joined: 30.05.2008

7high good? --->

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $10(BB) Replayer
SB ($1,147)
Hero ($1,094)
UTG ($1,556)
CO ($215)
BTN ($2,011)

Dealt to Hero 6♦ 7♥

fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $20, Hero calls $10

FLOP ($40) 4♦ J♠ 2♣

SB bets $40, Hero calls $40

TURN ($120) 4♦ J♠ 2♣ J♥

SB bets $120, Hero calls $120

RIVER ($360) 4♦ J♠ 2♣ J♥ 9♦

SB bets $200, Hero raises to $914 (AI), SB folds

Hero shows 6♦ 7♥

Hero wins $757


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majstereo
Joined: 23.07.2008

TNL : maybe this guy was on tilt or sth like that ? or just he didnt know what to do with this hand ;]

good thinking reg = some of them are thinking, some of them are good ...


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TwiceT
Joined: 15.07.2007

Originally posted by MathhNes
Happy birthday TwiceT, i hope you get a nice evening. In your drinking skills we trust ;)

ty

great boarding + apres ski action so far today.
powder snow actioooooooon _cool:

ofc, big pardaaay tonight :f_cool:


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