[Closed] 66 SB vs BB battle - middle stage

Hello,

Likely just fold there, kinda hard to continue.

Best regards,
Rensu

make it 3x pre. 4x raises pre are an easy leak to fix

fold flop.

you arent going to fold out better hands by raising and worse hands arent calling.

you can argue for calling it down. but it can get very ugly very quickly if he fires on multiple streets. so i fold flop.

make it 3x pre. 4x raises pre are an easy leak to fix

I usually raise 3x, but i introduced today the 5x raise when blinds are 10/20 and 4x raise when they are 15/30. The rest... 3x or 2.5 later.

Anyway, there's no way i'm calling there, but i figured an agressive player (he had infinite agression factor, kind of stupid for me to take that into consideration) would bet trying to scare me that he's got a K.

So you don't think he would bet that flop with all sorts of garbage? I would if i were him.

I think he would have problems with calling every pocket pair <KK (in case he decided not to resteal).

you arent going to fold out better hands

I really don't see this. What am i missing? Is he calling here with 77+?

worse hands arent calling.

With this i completely agree. The purpose was after all to make him to fold his bluff.

you are giving him 2:1 on a call. hes never b/f anything in his range. so yes i think hes snap calling all his pairs.

its pretty hard to play this hand with your effective stack. and after he donks i dont see much FE on a shove. getting it in here with 66 is pretty marginal and just not a spot i would feel comfortable in.

a few reads on the villain might make this an ok shove, but its never going to be a great spot for you really.

note: if you 3x pre the pot is smaller and your shove would have a lot more FE because you wouldnt be giving him such great odds.

Problem with this hand is i can't internalize your recomandation.

When i'm in close decisions, i ask myself "what hand worse then mine would do this?".

What hand could bet that flop? Absolutely every possible hand in my opinion. There's no way he's just ocasionally bluffing there.

I'm often betting this kind of flops when it looks like my opponents would fold without something good. And i often raise bets from agressive opponents on paired boards, even with complete air. Good idea?

So if i would be in his place i would bet the flop with all sorts of garbage; not to often in this situation because there's a K on the board (A would be the same).

And i'm getting re-raised on my bet... I am 90% sure i would fold everything weaker then KQ.

Please do not percieve this as an attack to your response, but rather help me understand how to think this situation the right way.

For example, in my mind i would change

hes never b/f anything in his range

with "he almost always plays b/f because he's trying to represent a K, and i would believe him, because a K is in his range" - am i going too much into conspiration theory?

One last thing... i do think this move is risky and i do it with a small stack or huge stack. There's no way i would kill 30%+ of my medium-size stack on a re-raise here. I felt like it's a good spot to accumulate chips here because i was rather short and with not much hope for a bright future.

Thanks a lot!

I don't like bluffing too much in these limits with so few BB's behind. It had been a completely different situation if you were early in the tour, still deepstacked so you wouldn't be risking your tour life with pure air against a coldcaller!

Consider his range: Alot of K hands or higher PP's will never fold to these odds

Originally posted by andreibalint
what hand worse then mine would do this?".What hand could bet that flop?

i think its more common that an aggressive opponent will c/r bluff here than donk-bluff. he knows you are more then often going to cbet. his raise size is a little suspicious and, of course, it could be anything. i think its more common that this is a hand that beats yours donking for protection/value rather than a bluff.

And i often raise bets from agressive opponents on paired boards, even with complete air. Good idea?

definitely not a good idea. bluff raises in SnGs are very very bad. your chips are extremely valuable in a SnG and making huge bluffs for large proportions of your stack even if you think you might be right a decent amount of the time are just a spew, especially on the micro-limits where your opponents will become attached to any hand. Never bluff in a micro-stakes SnG. Your opponents will rarely fold anything at all. Remember the chips you gain are worth less than the chips you lose in a SnG.

And i'm getting re-raised on my bet... I am 90% sure i would fold everything weaker then KQ.

yes but you know better than he does. and like i said above. its a micro-stakes game. the fish will fall in love with everything.

The main thing you want to get from this hand is a key to winning micro-stakes SnGs. Every hand you should be playing should have a clear value line. If you find yourself in these situations a lot where you are pushing all your money in with mid pairs or calling off light you need to be tighter pre flop and wait for push-fold to start.

We make all our money from late game, so getting into these marginal spots in the mid-stages should always be avoided if possible!

and if you are unsure, or if its close (like this one) you should always be more conservative and fold. you have a HUGE edge when the blinds go up so you dont need to be taking such risks with very very minimal FE on these players.

Knowing who you are playing against and what they are going to do is just as important as knowing what to do yourself.

It's not actually microstakes, it's a 10$ game, i really won't forget next time.

Anyway, thanks a lot for everything, i maybe found out where a few % of my ROI go to

ill just quickly go back to my original point about this hand.

if you had made it 3x pre instead of 4x it would have been a lot easier for you to handle post flop. so remember that as well.

It's a dry board so I think calling and folding on the flop are both fine. Personally if I wanted to bluff in these spots I would make a donkbet-bluff, but there's no way to tell if our opponent is thinking like that.

If you call the flop the intention would be to fold to a turn bet or bet if he checks to you.