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[Closed] NL400 FR 44 Flop jam with oesd?

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Joenaes
Joined: 18.07.2008

$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
7 Players
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Stacks:
UTG HuanHuan ($400)
UTG+1 Hero ($400)
MP El Greco XIX ($457)
CO IntenseDawg ($416.50)
BTN drdude33 ($279.75)
SB Frenchyoda ($412.70)
BB Sparsi ($444.90)

Pre-Flop: ($6, 7 players) Hero is UTG+1 4♣ 4♥
1 fold, Hero raises to $14, 1 fold, IntenseDawg calls $14, 3 folds

Flop: 6♣ 5♦ 3♦ ($34, 2 players)
Hero bets $25.80, IntenseDawg raises to $76, Hero calls $50.20

Turn: Q♥ ($186, 2 players)
Hero checks, IntenseDawg checks

River: 10:diamond: ($186, 2 players)
Hero checks, IntenseDawg checks

Final Pot: $186

Opp is 15/12/5, AF4.5 wtsd 19, he is a reg who is playing for ages

I always find it hard to play against agressive opponents on flops like these with all sorts of hands. I feel he just raises such flops a lot, also with hands with little equity.

What would be the right play with:
-44
-QQ+ (with or without diamond)
-KTdd,...

With 44 call is probably the worst option out of three, when raises it might be best to put in a reraise if he really goes out of line on such flops? what if there wasnt a flush draw?

With QQ+ I always have the intention of calling and keep their ranges wide so they can keep on firing with air, but I feel that after a flop call then most likely shut down with their air type of hands, so best to raise those as well? But I dont know if its profitable because he is only going to call with hands better than overpair+very strong draws and with still lot of money behind he can profitably raise this flop with air a decent amount of the time (he risk $76 with still $300+ behind.

The same with overcards with a fd: are they strong enough for a raise? And is there even room for a raise? Isnt it fold or ship?


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Panny1
Joined: 03.02.2006

That just depends so much on your recent history and gameflow; how wide you expect his bluffraisingrange to be, how light he's going broke there and how often he's gonna continue his bluffs on Turn+River.

So there's obv no "right" way to play there, you gotta have a good feeling for the situation and your opponent to find the correct play - folding is allmost allways a good option in this spot if you're not that sure about those things I mentioned.
I aggree though that 3-b>calling here. He's not gonna bluff the 1-card-straight here that often and it's kinda tough for you to continue on later streets if he keeps on betting.


mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

im not sure about ur history with him but I believe IntenseDawg's range would be >50% air so 3betting should be good


TheLastNail
Joined: 30.05.2008

i dont know the plr

obv read dependant, u can do many things agains agro opp on boards like this b/r, c/c, or c/r. i would definitely test all against every opponent how he reacts to it. u can also do funny stuff like b/c and d T here. /he is gonna be very selective abt bluffing u in such spot since u seem committed /which u in fact shouldnt be /leverage bets/ so that u have a balanced strong-weak range for such line. The idea abt c/r F is obv: taking dead money right away and taking an initiative away so that when u know his calling ranges then u can bluff some other cards also, like some broadways, or flush coming.. obv u deceive your hand a lot and increase your implieds a lot in case u hit and he slplayed sth.

abt QQ, fd hands u should be also varying your game esp due to T agressions of your opponents, we can speak abt it during the coaching.. would be too long for here.


Joenaes
Joined: 18.07.2008

Opponent showed 99, I really thought that play was very bad without history.
Or do you like his line?


TheLastNail
Joined: 30.05.2008

Originally posted by Joenaes
Opponent showed 99, I really thought that play was very bad without history.
Or do you like his line?

well, it depends if it fits his overall gameplan. as u said abt him he is more on the nittier side, so prolly sort of a bad/weak plr . 19wtsd suggests that also.. Given preflop positions i doubt this tight guy is going to be r his fd often on F and if so than just the nutfds for the most part. He could then cbeh as being scared on T so his F r here and cbeh T in this spot with his image should be sth like balancing his strong draws play vs hands that show resistance on incredibly coordinated boards. So it makes some sense actually. Tho its hard to say if he was playing some weird r/f on F coz this puts his bluff r range on such boards rl into question then or he was r/r on F for thin value vs u for some reason, like u have a laggier image?! anything is possible, but i d say its most likely he is balancing here his strong drawslines here bcs after u b/c F your range looks like u re rly rarely gonna fold on such turn.


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