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[Closed] nl400 AK ,QQ 2 hands

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eszibit
Joined: 10.12.2007

iPoker - $4 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $406.00
Hero (MP): $430.00
CO: $520.08
BTN: $259.40 50/17/2 46hands
SB: $400.00
BB: $405.00

SB posts SB $2.00, BB posts BB $4.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero has K♠ A♣

fold, Hero raises to $12.00, fold, BTN calls $12.00, fold, fold

Flop: ($30.00, 2 players) 9♥ 5♠ A♦
Hero bets $20.00, BTN raises to $48.00, Hero calls $28.00

Turn: ($126.00, 2 players) 5♥
Hero checks, BTN bets $48.00, Hero calls $48.00

River: ($222.00, 2 players) 5♦
Hero bets $322.00, BTN calls $151.40

Should i just freakin fold on the flop? he has 1/8 raise on the flop ,but in 40 hands i think it's a small sample size,on the river i shove because we either split or maybe he can make a hero call with 9x,but if i check and he shoves then i still have to call.

I've put 2 hands because in my opinion they were connected,this happened after 5 more hands on the same table

iPoker - $4 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $400.00
Hero (UTG): $400.00
MP: $488.08
CO: $583.20
BTN: $406.00
SB: $400.00

SB posts SB $2.00, BB posts BB $4.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero has Q♠ Q♥

Hero raises to $12.00, fold, fold, BTN raises to $36.00, fold, fold, Hero raises to $88.00, BTN raises to $406.00, Hero calls $312.00

Flop: ($806.00, 2 players) 8♠ 4♣ 5♠

Turn: ($806.00, 2 players) 5♦

River: ($806.00, 2 players) 9♦

Villain plays 33/26/3% 3bet in 94hands

I thought that he thinks i'm tilted and he has a bigger 5betting range. Bad play?


5 replies
mrandom
Joined: 01.12.2006

Hand 1.
I don't like river shove. He will never ever call you with worse in this spot, so this is like burning money - nothing you beat will call you. You either splitting or losing to (unlikely) AA / 99.

So, I think I'll just c/c river hoping he would fire some ridiculuos bluffs / thin valuebets with worse.
Or you can bet river small, hoping to get call from mid PP's or provoke the bluffraises...

Hand 2.
His 3-bet percentage is pretty small, although it is only over 93 hands.
Add to this that he is 3-betting your UTG opening range, so maybe I will not 4-bet him but just flatcall and play postflop.

Once he shoves - it is close and probably you have to call (especially because he may think you are tilted), but I would expect this to be very slightly +EV (if +EV at all...).


eszibit
Joined: 10.12.2007

thanks for reply . So in the first hand just the river was bad?I was thinking about a check/call ,but was pretty shure he would only value-bet 5x ,99,AA ,maybe Ax.
Can i fold Ak on the flop ? because what does he raise there? 2pairs ,sets ofc ,but does he raise Ax? My plan is ussually bet/fold but he makes such a small damn raise and the turn and river keep me in the pot.

2nd i guess it's pretty standard but i could of just folded to avoid some variance even though i think it's slightly -EV (btw i was playing quite nitty because i had the fish to my left and he played most pots )


mrandom
Joined: 01.12.2006

Originally posted by eszibit
So in the first hand just the river was bad?I was thinking about a check/call ,but was pretty shure he would only value-bet 5x ,99,AA ,maybe Ax.

Well actually check/fold river is also an option, depending on the sizing. I don't think he will be bluffing air 3 streets...

Originally posted by eszibit
Can i fold Ak on the flop ?

Not against 50/17 :)

Originally posted by eszibit
because what does he raise there? 2pairs ,sets ofc ,but does he raise Ax?

also weaker aces sometimes and gutshots and air

Originally posted by eszibit
My plan is ussually bet/fold but he makes such a small damn raise and the turn and river keep me in the pot.

This is a good plan against some TAG player IMO.

Originally posted by eszibit
2nd i guess it's pretty standard but i could of just folded to avoid some variance even though i think it's slightly -EV (btw i was playing quite nitty because i had the fish to my left and he played most pots )

Yes i think most of the people would actually shove there and it is hard to say what dynamics did you have in the past.
Anyway, this can't be bad...


chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

First hand: c/f river sounds good w/o any more reads. People aren't 3barreling with worse, and he probably won't shove the river with Ax, rather bet smaller.

2nd hand: don't 4bet then ask what to do when he 5bet shoves...! Call the 3bet preflop. Or if you have QQ, 4bet and hover your mouse over the call button position for when he does shove so u can snapcall.....


TheLastNail
Joined: 30.05.2008

hand no 1:

c/r T! necessary. u rarely get any more value from semibluffs that miss on R if u b/c and c/c T he is usually gonna give up unless hyperspewy. On T he is committed with some combodraws like 67 78, any Ax :heart: or even just random fd that he minr on F for pure backdoor bluff for the fun of it (u should not underestimate this) and definitely snaps u with any Ax worse that the fish for whatever reason plays funkily.. it just makes no logic if he has A2 here, but i ve seen it enough of the times to stop strictly questioning any rational behind such things.

hand no 2:

abs standard, its 6handed.. QQ is the nuts.