[Closed] long whining, bad beats post

Hand 1:

I'm just calling turn and folding river if spade comes, otherwise call unless he bets large on river when I can just fold.

Hand 1b:

I'm raising to 1000 preflop, going broke on that flop just like you. (Basically 1000 raise does exactly same thing than 1300 except you lose less when someone after you wakes up or utg+1 re-raises.)

Hand 2:

KK is no-brainer.

TT: I check behind, call turn fold/call river.

K9s. Marginal call preflop, I'd call as well but it is probably a leak. Flop: Check-call or Check-raise depending on action and bet sizes.

Hand 3:

89

I don't really play fixed limit, but this is what I would do:

bet-fold flop, bet-call turn raise-call river.

KQ

Ugly. Probably play the same way.

KK

Obv std.

4th hand:

54s

4-bet preflop or fold preflop.

Fold without raising > fold after getting raised ~ 4bet preflop

5th hand:

AA. I'll just ignore that one since it is pointless.

AJs. Depending how tight utg+1 it is either fold or shove.

AA 2# I'd bet just 3000 flop and rest on any turn. This way you can get some flush draws to put money in.

Last one is tricky, I don't think you have much FE but your hand is good, so I'd probably shove and hope one of them to fold and other to turn a pocket pair.

Originally posted by Anssi
Hand 1:

I'm just calling turn and folding river if spade comes, otherwise call unless he bets large on river when I can just fold.

WEAK PLAYERS IN THIS SAT, 100% SURE HE HAVE AX THE WAY HE PLAYED THE HAND(SO I'M SPLITTING OR I CAN TAKE IT DOWN

Hand 1b:

I'm raising to 1000 preflop, going broke on that flop just like you. (Basically 1000 raise does exactly same thing than 1300 except you lose less when someone after you wakes up or utg+1 re-raises.)

Hand 2:

KK is no-brainer.

TT: I check behind, call turn fold/call river. WHY, Axx FLOP WE SHOULD BET LIKE 95%+ WHEN WE OPEN UTG WITH THAT HAND + ANY FACE CARD CAN HURT US AND THERE IS FLUSH DRAW TOO

K9s. Marginal call preflop, (AGREE, BUT GREAT POT ODDS + IMPLIED, WE CAN FLOP SOMETHING LIKE THIS FLOP OR 2 PAIR TRIPS ETC..) I'd call as well but it is probably a leak. Flop: Check-call or Check-raise depending on action and bet sizes.

Hand 3:

89

I don't really play fixed limit, but this is what I would do:

bet-fold flop, bet-call turn raise-call river.

KQ

Ugly. Probably play the same way.

KK

Obv std.

4th hand:

54s

4-bet preflop or fold preflop.

Fold without raising > fold after getting raised ~ 4bet preflop

5th hand:

AA. I'll just ignore that one since it is pointless.

AJs. Depending how tight utg+1 it is either fold or shove.

AA 2# I'd bet just 3000 flop and rest on any turn. This way you can get some flush draws to put money in. I THINK IS SAME IF WE BET 3K OR SHOVE POT IS 4K WE HAVE 5K BEHIND, IMO SHOVE LOOKS BLUFFER

Last one is tricky, I don't think you have much FE but your hand is good, so I'd probably shove and hope one of them to fold and other to turn a pocket pair.

ur main mistake is, that u just play on pokerstars
pokerstars have the toughest mttplayer at all
and most high mtt player also join 22$ mtt or 3$+

u should play also on other ... smaller ... sites, because the are much more fishy

to ur hands

#1.1
why push on turn ? he will call all better hands and fold all weaker ones
I just call this and evalute new on river ... on this river I fold

#1.2
preflop its no standard raise but on this limit its ok
flop u have 7k behind on a 3k flop ... I see no card, that u dont want to see on turn
so I check the flop behind for bluff induce and that he maybe bet or downcall some pocketpairs
u just have 2 times pot left and the cb on flop generates more action

#2.1
nh

#2.2
I dont like bet/call ... u will never see a weaker hand (maybe a stron draw with upto 40%)
against weak players u can bet/fold this flop
but I prefer to cb and call turn ... against 2. barrel on river I fold most times

#2.3
I prefer to check/push this flop
but overall its ok, to bet/call

#3.1
fixedlimit ? *g*
its ok ... but on river I just minraise (he have to call all J)

#3.2
I never played FL mtt ^^ but looks good

#3.3
cb flop ? but at all standard

#3.4
steal is good ... but u cant call then ... its push or fold after his 3bet

#5.1
nice

#5.2
push or flop ... mosttimes I fold, becuase fishs like to minraise nutz

#6.1
why push flop ?
bet flop with maybe 2k and call push

#6.2
nh

I think ur sometimes to bluff and sometimes u overplay ur hands.

Originally posted by larseda
ur main mistake is, that u just play on pokerstars
pokerstars have the toughest mttplayer at all
and most high mtt player also join 22$ mtt or 3$+ i guess u r right, i have bankroll problems cant split mine roll, and PS has a lot of MTT and s&g, what site u think are way softer and have ok MTT

u should play also on other ... smaller ... sites, because the are much more fishy

to ur hands

#1.1
why push on turn ? he will call all better hands and fold all weaker ones
I just call this and evalute new on river ... on this river I fold (i'm 95%+ he has Ax the way he played the hand, im spiting with all of Ax but i can make some of them fold, cos turn is scary card flash came and second pair pairs so he is practically can win vs anything + there is str8 on flop, make sense?

#1.2
preflop its no standard raise but on this limit its ok (do u mean about size or raise or about the value of mine hand, what do u think is standard there if u think tah raise size is bad, rais is like 4,1bb after UTG limper with plan to fold if he raise preflop)
flop u have 7k behind on a 3k flop ... I see no card, that u dont want to see on turn
so I check the flop behind for bluff induce and that he maybe bet or downcall some pocketpairs
u just have 2 times pot left and the cb on flop generates more action
sure thats another way to play that hand, but i like to cbet almost 100% of flops when i iso limpers

#2.1
nh

#2.2
I dont like bet/call ... u will never see a weaker hand (maybe a stron draw with upto 40%)
against weak players u can bet/fold this flop
but I prefer to cb and call turn ... against 2. barrel on river I fold most times (true but i wrote why i call, plan was bet fold but when he insta shove.... check in op why i call this 1..
and btw i dont like cheking behind cos there are lot of cards that can hurt us he will fold KQ but if k or q hit on turn or almost any card we dont know were we are( cos he can have also PP or flush draw/gutshot, 7x etc) ...,
standard plan is to bet/fold flop, check turn if got called, evaluate soul read on river if he bets)

#2.3
I prefer to check/push this flop
but overall its ok, to bet/call

as played is shove or fold, MP is behind to act and he got us covered, mine reasoning about this hand :K9ss

#3.1
fixedlimit ? *g*
its ok ... but on river I just minraise (he have to call all J)

#3.2
I never played FL mtt ^^ but looks good

#3.3
cb flop ? but at all standard

#3.4
steal is good ... but u cant call then ... its push or fold after his 3bet (do we really want to push this hand preflop? can we really fold having so good implied odds + good satck with fold EQ to c/rAI on flop? is a sick dilemma ... btw as played thought on flop? standard right? )

#5.1
nice

#5.2
push or flop ... mosttimes I fold, becuase fishs like to minraise nutz (yea push or fold but though 3bet 1/2 of mine stack preflop after utg min raise and a caller looks stronger and scary lol, i'm over thinking mine hands)

#6.1
why push flop ?
bet flop with maybe 2k and call push(with SPR i think shove looks bluffier like AK/aq type of hand JJ/88/77 or draws)

#6.2
nh

I think ur sometimes to bluff and sometimes u overplay ur hands.(yea, i think main leak is that i give too much credit/respect to players that they know what they r doing, most of them dont -> i'm over thinking mine hands, playing fancy vs donks, practically speaking in language that fish cant understand) + i'm runing very bad as u can see mine big hands wont hold up and i guess cos of that i'm overplaying/tilting in some spots

I like mtts on ongame ... also on everest and cake
if i play mtts, i start on 6-8 provider

nexttime play 1 thread 1 hand .. its hard to talk this way

1.1
I see no A folding on turn
and his minbet is no A ... normally its a weak hand or nutz
against a weak hand, u should call let him bet river
against nutz ur drawing dead

1.2.
i think the size is to huge for a isolation ... 999 is enough
and i dont isolate this hand on this limit ... I just fold it and wait for better spots
If u isolate this, u are very attackable from behind
if u like it .. do it but i think cb is max value

2.2
bet/fold is ok ... but u player bet/call
against good/aggro players i prefer to cb

4.1.
implited with this stack
I can push for bluff, if u think he folds much
but u cant call this and fold it on 80% of flops

5.2.
minraise = nutz -> fold
minraise = crap -> push
I dont attack earyl raises on this limit, becuase most just raise nutz utg

6.1.
is ok ... but fish prefer to call small bets then a push

u should just play ABC poker and low limits and dont try to play postflop pots

Originally posted by larseda
I like mtts on ongame ... also on everest and cake
if i play mtts, i start on 6-8 provider

nexttime play 1 thread 1 hand .. its hard to talk this way

1.1
I see no A folding on turn (i guess ur right, donk never folds top pair)
and his minbet is no A ... normally its a weak hand or nutz(u see it was Ax, donks play Ax that way, they think i'm spliting with all A and i dont want to give free card cos ugly cards can hit on turn making 4 card str8 or flush card and maybe I have KQ so he dont want me to outdraw him, i read his hand perfectly i was very sure that he has Ax and i rep KJ, flush or Qx very well with mine play imo, i'll play KJ,Qx or flush draw the same there, too bad that they donks dont read hands good and on top of that they r geting very lucky on river)
against a weak hand, u should call let him bet river
against nutz ur drawing dead

1.2.
i think the size is to huge for a isolation ... 999 is enough
and i dont isolate this hand on this limit ... I just fold it and wait for better spots
If u isolate this, u are very attackable from behind
if u like it .. do it but i think cb is max value

2.2
bet/fold is ok ... but u player bet/call
against good/aggro players i prefer to cb(yea yea i know is standard, bet fold i wrote why i call his shove i guess u dint read it, it is a huge thread) here it is:
about this hand, i know this call at first looks kinda bad,
but
i just get at this table and mine Cbet on flop is kinda weak and BB has perfect shoving stack, expecting him to shove 7x,Ax, PP, flush draws, maybe some random bluffs also
i tank call for 2 reasons
1) getting ok pot odds vs his range
2) image
- i have good stack ~2xavg, call wouldn't hurt me,
- i get info on that guy + have position on him most of the time,
- i'm sending message to the table that i'm not opening light UTG (later i can raise a ton UTG and steal blinds) and i'm not giving up on mine hands easy (which prevents villains at the table to try to bluff me)
and btw i dont like cheking behind cos there are lot of cards that can hurt us he will fold KQ but if k or q hit on turn or almost any card we dont know were we are( cos he can have also PP or flush draw/gutshot, 7x etc) ...,
standard plan is to bet/fold flop, check turn if got called, evaluate soul read on river if he bets

4.1.
implited with this stack
I can push for bluff, if u think he folds much
but u cant call this and fold it on 80% of flops so u say that u got to fold preflop, what implied should i have to call, effective stacks should be like 5x of reraise size or more?

5.2.
minraise = nutz -> fold
minraise = crap -> push <- this
I dont attack earyl raises on this limit, becuase most just raise nutz utg

6.1.
is ok ... but fish prefer to call small bets then a push

u should just play ABC poker and low limits and dont try to play postflop pots

1.1
i dont see him folding a A or good draw against ur ship
so i dont see the protection ...
i call the turn and evaluate new on river
he wont bluff u on river .. with A or weaker hand

u want to protect against hands ... he never folds

2.2
why cbet on Axx board is weak ?
its a bad board to bluff ... because we have much A in our rang
if u think "i have a read" ...then call it ... but overall ur behind

4.1
with 54s u need to be deep ... up to 100bb
sry dont know calc numbers