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[Closed] Prove to me poker isn't luck No 2

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In the last thread you started I said you were right that in the short term winning is based more on luck but in the long term skill will win.

Now in you example above with 77 a skilled player will play this hand right and may still not win but in the long term 77 played right will show a profit for this player.

Look at it like this: the best hockey player in the world hits the post on a breakaway against a bad goalie does this now prove that all the other times he scored he was just lucky or that he was unlucky this time and still is a highly skilled player?


stevegold87
Joined: 18.06.2009

Originally posted by fuzzyfish
U guys notice how this guy creates a thread and then doesnt write a simple post afterwards. Khm, he calls it "an article". He prolly has some issues and needs attention/care (medical?). So why bother writing 100 replies? Its like arguing w religuous people, really.

+1

Feeding the troll


wasy8
Joined: 29.01.2009

Originally posted by fuzzyfish
U guys notice how this guy creates a thread and then doesnt write a simple post afterwards. Khm, he calls it "an article". He prolly has some issues and needs attention/care (medical?). So why bother writing 100 replies? Its like arguing w religuous people, really.

thank you, now mods please ban OP


conall88
Joined: 02.01.2009

@ OP

explain to me how a statiscally significant sample doesnt prove poker is a game of skill.


I agree with OP.

Phil Hellmuth.

'nuff said.
:P


DecMate
Joined: 25.01.2009

I take it you have lost therefore have such a narrow mind think it is luck rather then take some strategy into consideration.


Fladdermouse
Joined: 31.01.2009

Let's asume there is a player with 0% knowledge of poker. The only thing he does is checking and calling in every situation. Even if he has 23o and the board is KQJ49.

Against this player we can play perfectly. We calculate how much equity we have in a certain situation against a random hand (Equilator) and then we decide if we go all-in or not.

If you understand even a little bit of math, odds and outs, you'll see that we have a huge edge against a player who has no idea what he is doing.

This proves that if you don't think, that you will get owned by a good player with skill.


Ultifanatic
Joined: 08.04.2008

This is quite simple.

Websters definition of Skill....

1 a : the ability to use one's knowledge effectively and readily in execution or performance
b : dexterity or coordination especially in the execution of learned physical tasks
2 : a learned power of doing something competently : a developed aptitude or ability <language skills>

Now we know that 1 b does not pertain directly to poker but we can observe that there is skill involved physically when it comes to playing long sessions and playing in different physical enviroments.

But 1 a and 2 both pertain to the skill involved in playing the game of poker.

1 a - the ability to use the knowledge of odds, outs, statistics, personality traits, etc to effectively during the execution of playing the game of poker.

2- a developed apttitude or ability in Math or human nature when applied to the game of poker is a skill.

Now, go ahead and mention your single instance in time examples in regards to poker, with vague references and lack of detail....you can do that with pretty much any sport, game or instance of time. If you do not have the "skills" to look past the generalization of your own examples, and that you even put belief into the human created sense of luck. Then I guess you are actually just unlucky in the sense that you do not possess the skills required to see passed your idea of good and bad luck.


TheLastNail
Joined: 30.05.2008

logically speaking:

poker is not primarily an outcome of luck, since every single hand u play u can lose. U can be also increasing ur losses the worse u play. So it's obvious losses are to a very big extent function of the idividual's bad play.

Theoretically extremely: if i want to lose every hand i will leave myself 1bb and fold to any raise after that. If i dont want to lose as much, i will start leaving myself 2bb and folding after that... then 3bbs.. 4bbbs.. now: my SKILL slowly "increases" as i am losing all the time less and less and i am in full control of it.


NightFrostaSS
Joined: 25.10.2008

Who cares what you think No 2


stevegold87
Joined: 18.06.2009

Why is this thread still alive?

Why are people still answering?

Why am I posting in this thread?