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NL Holdem $40(BB) Replayer
SB ($1,340)
Hero ($1,500)
UTG ($1,590)
UTG+1 ($1,545)
UTG+2 ($1,500)
MP1 ($1,955)
MP2 ($1,440)
CO ($1,400)
BTN ($1,230)

Dealt to Hero J♥ J♠

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls $40, fold, Hero raises to $160, BTN calls $120

FLOP ($340) 5♠ 7♦ Q♠

Hero bets $180, BTN raises to $400, Hero folds


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Trbst
Joined: 26.09.2007

Not that it's of any use but I despise those situations. The more I play the more I seem to be lost in regard to CBetting, like, I'm clueless, so elaboration here would prove useful - Judges assist please.


ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Would play it pretty much same. Preflop to 140 and half pot cbet on flop. After raise we have to fold.


Originally posted by Trbst
Not that it's of any use but I despise those situations. The more I play the more I seem to be lost in regard to CBetting, like, I'm clueless, so elaboration here would prove useful - Judges assist please.

pretty standard half pot cbet on a dry board like this. Not too worried about the FD in a HU pot. I'd cbet against 2 as well i think, and probably bigger, closer to 2/3


When you raise from the blinds, it is more natural to raise more than the size of the pot (and with a tighter range). You do not want your opponent to get both good pot odds and a positional advantage.

The cbet looks small on the two-tone flop and screams that you don't like the flop. After showing that much weakness, I would have trouble folding to the minimum raise, but it depends on whether I think the player is capable of bluff-raising.

In general, you should not cbet as often in 3-bet pots. You should consider checking to induce/to get more action from weaker hands. If you check, then you should usually call a bet. This loses no more to top pair than making a continuation bet, but it gives your opponent a chance to lose more with a hand like K♥ T♥.


I like pzhon's line. c/c to induce and pot control.

Originally posted by Trbst
Not that it's of any use but I despise those situations. The more I play the more I seem to be lost in regard to CBetting, like, I'm clueless, so elaboration here would prove useful - Judges assist please.

This is a huuuuge topic and many top sng players still struggle with making correct cbet decisions. Its not something that can be taught in 1 paragraph. Some useful advice:

1. think about your opponents likely range, and how that range plays on the board texture.
2. Think about what you are trying to achieve, are you semi-bluffing? value-betting?
3. Always have a plan, cbet/call , cbet/fold, what will you do on blank turns? what will you do on scary turns?
4. Try and predict your opponent's actions based on your reads and decide on your play to maximize your value. Eg. will you often check down after cbetting and have the best hand with A high or an underpair? Will you often face a raise? etc...
5. Always consider the effective stack size so that you know when you become committed before the fact. and you can size your bets correctly to get 1/2/3 streets of value or set yourself up for a turn/river shove.

like i said.... i could talk about this for hours.. this is a good start.
post specific hands and ask for further explanations if needed.


ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Personally I like cbet more in board like this and half pot might look weak, but in HU pot I would bet same with strong hands as well. Check-call is ok linel, maybe better in some cases. Though in villain shoes, if I decide to bluff in flop I would ~always fire another barrel on turn. Or just take free turn.

Also does villain bet size affect how much on your check-call line? Check-calling half pot bet feels ok. If bet is close to pot size hero should be ready to call turn shove also in my opinion. With big flop bet villain is most likely making pot big enough for turn shove.


Originally posted by pzhon
When you raise from the blinds, it is more natural to raise more than the size of the pot (and with a tighter range). You do not want your opponent to get both good pot odds and a positional advantage.

The cbet looks small on the two-tone flop and screams that you don't like the flop. After showing that much weakness, I would have trouble folding to the minimum raise, but it depends on whether I think the player is capable of bluff-raising.

In general, you should not cbet as often in 3-bet pots. You should consider checking to induce/to get more action from weaker hands. If you check, then you should usually call a bet. This loses no more to top pair than making a continuation bet, but it gives your opponent a chance to lose more with a hand like K♥ T♥.

There was no 3-bet in this pot?


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