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[Closed] 2$ non-turbo STT KQ oop vs 2 opponents in flushed board

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javafonso
Joined: 26.12.2009

Is it ok to take the lead on the turn or is it better just c/c vs weak bet?

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$40/$80 No-Limit Hold'em (7 handed)

Known players:
[tg]MP2$2195.00:///////;MP3$2195.00:///////;CO$1610.00:///////;BU$735.00:///////;SB$1420.00:///////;BB (Hero)$1425.00:///////;MP1$3920.00:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is BB with K:c, Q:h.
3 folds, CO calls $80.00, BU folds, SB calls $40.00, Hero checks.

Flop: ($240) 5:s, 3:c, 9:s (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: ($240) K:s (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $160.00, CO calls $160.00, SB folds.

River: ($560) J:c (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $240.00, Hero calls $240.00.

Final Pot: $1040.


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winnergr
Joined: 24.05.2010

Okey, this one is interesting. In my opinion your bet on the turn is not bad. The thing I do not like on how you played the hand is you taking the lead on the turn and after getting called, you check-call the river. I mean, okey, he calls back on the turn, what hand you believe now he is holding? If you think he has a flush then you should check-fold the river. If you do not believe he has a flush then you should bet again on the river. If you think you are ahead always value bet your hand. On the other hand, if you are afraid he has a flush but you are not sure and want to go to the showdown, then check-call weak bets as you suggested to keep the pot as small as possible.


javafonso
Joined: 26.12.2009

Originally posted by winnergr
Okey, this one is interesting. In my opinion your bet on the turn is not bad. The thing I do not like on how you played the hand is you taking the lead on the turn and after getting called, you check-call the river. I mean, okey, he calls back on the turn, what hand you believe now he is holding? If you think he has a flush then you should check-fold the river. If you do not believe he has a flush then you should bet again on the river. If you think you are ahead always value bet your hand. On the other hand, if you are afraid he has a flush but you are not sure and want to go to the showdown, then check-call weak bets as you suggested to keep the pot as small as possible.

Actually i think the best movement here is to fold river since the only hand i beat is KT.


winnergr
Joined: 24.05.2010

he just limped in preflop so don't be surprised if his hole cards are even worse than kt.


Betting the turn for value + protection vs. 1:spade: flushdraws & worse Kx hands is definitely good, and I like your bet size.

I think I bet/fold river for value. Getting value from plenty of hands (Kx, Jx, occasionally missed draws or A-high) which wouldn't bet otherwise, and never getting reraised off the best hand imo. Check/call isn't very nice, barely any worse hands are betting here, and check/fold is just too weak I think.


chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

Hi all,

Originally posted by gedwashere91
Betting the turn for value + protection vs. 1:spade: flushdraws & worse Kx hands is definitely good, and I like your bet size.

I think I bet/fold river for value. Getting value from plenty of hands (Kx, Jx, occasionally missed draws or A-high) which wouldn't bet otherwise, and never getting reraised off the best hand imo. Check/call isn't very nice, barely any worse hands are betting here, and check/fold is just too weak I think.

Exactly this! He's not going to bluff you an awful lot here yet we have the best hand most of the time, so bet/folding is the best option at around half pot. If you check it should be with the intention of check/folding with your hand.