[Closed] why shove it all in ?!!

You should not be shoving 17 BB deep... So in your example you should be raise folding instead of pushing AI..

But when you are have less than 13 BB, shoving AI is unexploitable.. Lets say you have something like 10 BB, make a raise with QTs from SB, and BB pushes all in. You are left wondering if he is just re-stealing or he has a monster. When you push AI instead of making a raise, villain most likely will fold all marginal hands with which he can be temped to re-steal.

I understand that but why not just fold Q9 all together and wait a tad longer because one thing i have noticed is as the blinds go up people get more desperate and i alwyas say to myself hold on a little longer and dont shove that marginal hand till i have to and normally means im in the money 48% of time when i know shoving i would prob only be ITM 20%

Consider the situation where you have Q9 and villain has 55. If you raise, he'll resteal and you fold a flip which is the wrong move. If you shove you have an easy coinflip. Shoving is correct because it creates fold equity even if your hand's real equity is smaller.

i know this is such a common play that when im playing and in bb and someone shoves as its played with marginal hands if i hold anything 66+ AJ+ i call and 8/10 taken it down

If you call with 66+ AJ, then you don't have 80% equity, even against Q9o. Q9o would still win 31.4% of the time. In addition, if you are only calling with a top 7.7% hand, then you are going to fold a lot, so much that it is right to shove not just Q9o, but 32o against you. You will be getting run over as you wait for a hand in a range which has less than 70% equity. Some players call too tightly, and that is a reason pushing Q9o might be very profitable.

Semibluffing is a powerful move. You have two ways to win. First, your opponent can fold. Second, you can draw out in case you get called. The chance to draw out means that getting called does not cost nearly as much on average as if a pure bluff were called.

Our goal surely is to get into the money as much as possible

No, my goal is to win money, and that does not mean maximizing my chance to make it into the money. If you concentrate too much on making the money, you will not win as much as you could.

say we raised q9 flop came Q94 WE COULD HAVE TAKEN THIS POT DOWN

You do not get a favorable flop just because you made a small raise. In fact, sometimes you let someone with 98s resteal you off the best hand.

why not just fold Q9 all together and wait a tad longer

Q9o might be a good opportunity. Folding does not avoid gambles, it mainly puts them off. If you gamble now, you will be better prepared for later gambles if you take the blinds or double up.

The situation you mention might be marginal because you are pushing 17 big blinds into a player who has you covered by a lot, so that he is not very risk-averse against you while you are risk-averse against him. Nevertheless, it would still be reasonable to push Q9o there. The important thing is that you need to push a wide rage for 10 or 12 bb onto an equal stack, and not worry overly much about running into a premium hand. This is the bread-and-butter play of SNGs, not trying to sneak into the money.

Pzhon thankyou very much now i see the reasons behind and just finished reading the poker blue print and says very similar in that learning everyday thankyou
godders248

Because some times you get lucky of course!

Case in point...

Full Tilt, $11 + $1 NL Hold'em Tournament, 300/600 Blinds, 2 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BB: 6,184
Hero (BTN): 7,316

Pre-Flop: (900) 6♠ 8♥ dealt to Hero (BTN)
Hero raises to 7,316 and is All-In, BB calls 5,584 and is All-In

Flop: (12,368) 9♠ 3♥ 5♦ (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: (12,368) 7♥ (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: (12,368) 7♦ (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 12,368 Pot
BB showed K♥ K♠ and LOST (-5,584 NET)
Hero showed 6♠ 8♥ and WON 12,368 (+6,484 NET)

And pzhon is awesome!

Originally posted by godders248
just finished reading the poker blue print and says very similar in that

imo you shouldn't read Poker Blueprint if you're playing sngs, cause it's for 6max cash games.

Btw, if you have AA instead of Q9o in your example, as you say it's suggested to shove with Q9o, but you prefer raising, what about AA? Do you shove or raise?

I think you should raise as your be expecting a steal attempt after what pzhon has said so its a quick way to trap him in to raising you with his intention to steal with k6 example !!!