[Closed] NL100 SH - 9Ts ip

Few Q's:

-why do you call preflop?
-why do you call on flop?
-why do you raise turn? What better hands are folding? What do you represent?

Preflop call is OK. Both folding (if there are some aggressive squeezers behind) and 3betting (also with aggressive squeezers behind and if opponent folds enough to 3bets). Without any reads I would call also.

On flop your call is a bit weird. I assume you made it to float or to pick up some equity on turn and continue.

On turn I would not raise. You really dont represent 2x hand, also FH is quite unlikely (you would have usually raised the flop or call again on turn). So if your opponent thinks enough, he sees that you are either pure bluffing or have some draw (turned FD or FD that you didnt want to raise on flop).

On river you got what you wanted and I would call it also. The river shove from your opponent is somewhat scary considering what you represent on turn - it means that his play could be quite often a FH.

why do you call preflop?
-why do you call on flop?
-why do you raise turn? What better hands are folding? What do you represent?

I hate it when you put me to the test!

1. I have a hand that can flop well and i have position. I have potential to win a big pot
2. I intend to float the turn and I can also continue on :diamond:, J, or 7, so around 1/3 of the time.
3. I assume villain barrels fairly often and without Kx will have to fold. So I can pick up the pot or make my hand on the river

I would also call pre-flop.

I would have definitely raised his c-bet on flop.
=> I think that's far better than trying to float here.
=> You remove the chance for villain to double barrel bluff you ( I think considering villain is UTG+1 he would try to doublebarrel more frequently than he was for example on CU because he can represent stronger range and you yourself represent a strong hand aswel raising a c-bet from a UTG+1 player).

Trying to float is definitely good too and you should mix it up. But I would prefer raising c-bet on this kinda board and with this positions because often you can get freecard on turn if your raise gets called and with BDFD and BDSD that's a nice thing.

I wouldn't have raised the turn. Because as mentioned before you represent very little and I don't think alot of players are capable of folding Kx or TT+ against turn raise.

The river is very ugly spot. The only bluff he can have is x :heart:x but I doubt that is a big part of his range. And he's not value-donk shoving worse hands on the river besides the very rare baby flush that we beat.

If villain puts us on a bluff he should be check/calling, if villain has FH he should also be check/calling(shoving if we didn't already) because we would always value-bet our flush on the river if we have it.

If villain has flush himself he should be somewhat scared that we have the FH and therefore probably isn't shoving the river.

Ofcourse we can't know how villain is thinking and he might be donkshoving all his FH+flushes on the river because he is scared we check behind with Kx whatever and if we have the flush we probably end up calling.

Basically there is 2 school of thoughts on the river:

1) Villain is bad player and will donkshove his FH and flushes on river because he is scared we check behind.

2) Villain is good player and realizes our range contains a decent amount of bluffs which we are certainly continuing with on this river. He also realizes that if we spiked the flush we are value-betting ourselves so there is no need to donkshove. He knows that if we have a hand like Kx we are folding to his shove. So he knows there is far less value in shoving the river himself.

=> So if villain is good player he is always checking the river. However a good player would also never choose a line to bluff donkshove this river.

So by definition how the hand played out we know villain is a bad player. I don't see a bad player donkshove worse flushes and the frequency we see for example a missed A :heart:x is pretty rare.

Therefore I would fold the river.
=> Also from personal experience at the tables, I have seen similar situations like this and I saw almost always fullhouses and flushes.

Thanks for this fantastic response.

Originally posted by Tim64

why do you call preflop?
-why do you call on flop?
-why do you raise turn? What better hands are folding? What do you represent?

I hate it when you put me to the test!

1. I have a hand that can flop well and i have position. I have potential to win a big pot
2. I intend to float the turn and I can also continue on :diamond:, J, or 7, so around 1/3 of the time.
3. I assume villain barrels fairly often and without Kx will have to fold. So I can pick up the pot or make my hand on the river

-If your plan is to outflop him (vs. a strong range) the same way as with pocketpairs to spike a set, I don't like the flat. But seeing that you're also willing to play aggressive when you flop the airballs, I like the flat. But only if his range is wide so that you can have fold equity postflop. To get T9s to be profitable flat in that spot, you need to have FE (or obv superior post flop skills to pwn him). Imo, vs. 17/17 it's close but without any info, I'd prly just flat it to get a feeling of his game.

-Nah, as said previously just raise the flop and you can continue bluffing on J, 7, ♦ and ♥ . That's going to definately be a very profitable play vs. most players esp. because of villain's wide preflop range. Also you need to realise that you don't rly rep much on any non ♥ /8 turn if you raise.

-as said, you don't rep anything, if you've got a boat/quads on turn would you ever raise those? Esp. when you know villain likes to barrel. Also you prly don't have any 2x combos (maybe A2s but that's just two combos + you're prly playing tight enough to 3b or fold that).

Generally I agree with the previous posters: either raising or folding on the flop is the best play vs a player who barrels a lot.
Of course you will improve your equity 1/3 of the time, but 2/3 of the time you'll have T high on the turn and he's betting - his range isn't even that weak on a K high board since he raised in MP. The question is if we can get him to fold JJ/QQ/KJ+ type of hands.

However, if the opponent is not thinking too much he might not even realize that we don't represent much on the turn. Or he might be thinking that far but is afraid his QQ/KJ is still beat too often because he can't see us bluffing like this too much so he just folds.
In this case we can even raise turns that don't improve our hand.

So the call flop - bluff turn line can be fine depending on the opponent.
I'd make it a bit bigger though, by making it $29-$31 the opponent gets slightly worse odds and additionally we set up better stacksizes for the river since we have less than potsize left when we shove.

As played once he donkshoves the river it's really sick.
I almost feel like folding would be the best play (agree with Purity on this one), but not sure if I'd ever actually be capable of folding it at the table.