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[Closed] [SH/NL25] KK vs wicked raise from passive player

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Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
SB ($28.22)
BB ($33.18)
UTG ($28.06)
UTG+1 ($26.59)
Hero ($25.35)
BTN ($33.34)

Dealt to Hero K♣ K♥

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, SB calls $0.65, fold

FLOP ($1.75) J♥ K♦ Q♠

SB checks, Hero bets $1.25, SB raises to $3.50, Hero calls $2.25

TURN ($8.75) J♥ K♦ Q♠ 8♣

SB bets $8.25, Hero calls $8.25

RIVER ($25.25) J♥ K♦ Q♠ 8♣ A♣

SB bets $1, Hero calls $1

Spoiler

Hero shows K♣ K♥
(Pre 79%, Flop 35.4%, Turn 22.7%)

SB shows T♥ 9♥
(Pre 21%, Flop 64.6%, Turn 77.3%)

SB wins $25.95

Villian over 200 hands:
34/7/1.7
Agg% flop turn river: 24/26/25

That turn bet... Fold right?


6 replies

I never fold that turn unless I have a monster read that villain is super nitty and only bets the absolute hands. I think that a player that plays laggier than 10/8 can have lots of 2 pairs, pair+draw type hands.

Even if he always has a straight we will hit our fh ~22% of the time and then get all of his stack so we have a call based solely on our equity + implieds.

Personally I prefer raising my opp AI right here to get value from his worse hands ( 2p, op+draws).


Originally posted by DeMarcohsp

Personally I prefer raising my opp AI right here to get value from his worse hands ( 2p, op+draws).

He's very very passive... He's almost like a rock. Against any regular or more aggresive players I'd AI instantly.


Originally posted by ragney

He's very very passive... He's almost like a rock. Against any regular or more aggresive players I'd AI instantly.

And do you think that he is capable of playing passively KQ,KJ,QJ here? I doubt it, a rock is very passive unless he gets a hand and a big 2pair is a hand for a rock to start firing his big bets.

We can exclude the one pair + draw type hands from his range and if we do so and also know that he is a total rock then call to play for stacks when we hit our full house. :heart:


If you want to play it passively you can just c/c him down, but I would also likely 3-bet flop or c/rai turn, since his range should have also two pair+ lower sets


JorgeTeixeira
Joined: 01.11.2008

If he is passive, isn`t it one more reason to shove it on a flop full of draws?

If he is passive and he is betting, probably has a nice hand that will pay a reraise


Originally posted by JorgeTeixeira
If he is passive, isn`t it one more reason to shove it on a flop full of draws?

If he is passive and he is betting, probably has a nice hand that will pay a reraise

sure, but rather question is how often would player raise that smt like two pair and then would play for stacks
So I don't mind just b/c flop and then c/rai on the turn, although bet/3-bet is also fine option