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[Closed] MSS Basic Does Not Work! - > Proof me Wrong!

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mineriva
Joined: 30.04.2008

INTRODUCTION:

I have been playing online poker for 6 years and have been a member here for about 3 years. I played SSS and BSS profitably up to 100NL and was looking forward to the new MSS.

I tried it and it does not work!. The whole system is designed for value betting meaning that we bet thinking we have the best hand. This simply does not happen any longer that a donkey calls all 4 streets with a worse hand.

Last month I played 22K hands on different sites and different stakes ranging from 10NL (caped and non caped ) and 5NL Rush and 10NL Rush. I ended $47 down at a rate of just under -1BB/100. Specifically of all the hands there is not one hand where I preflop raise and got called on each street by a weaker hand!

I thought I was doing something wrong until I saw the new video posted by Gev.

VIDEO:

In the video posted by Gev we see him play 3 tables 5NL Rush for just over 30min. We see him getting it allin 3 times before the river. Of the 3 hands the most equity we have is about 60% when we get it allin preflop BBvsSB for about 10BB. The biggest pot was the 3-way pot where we had 34% equity.

The net effect of the video (according to my calculations) left Gev $3.35 or 33.5BB down! This after we held up with the 53% equity KK hand. So, al though I did not calculate it, IMHO his win rate (or lose rate in this case) was above the allin equity!

CHALLENGE:

I hereby challenge ANY COACH to play a live session of at least 200 hands 100% according to the charts profitably!

I am willing to put my money where my mouth is and I wager $20 that it cannot be done.


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Gerv
Joined: 07.05.2008

Tell me why PokerStrategy.com - among the biggest in the industry - is releasing a strategy that makes you a loser?

And please explain & illustrate how variance is affecting your potential wins or losses in 1 single session. Yes I lost $3-$5 in that video - I don't know if you counted them single handily or I told the audience - but it's a fact but you use it as an argument.
Means that if I find any video on the internet with the instructor having 2 setups against them, do I then have to think that particular strategy is losing? come on.

Sincerely,
Gerv

PS Your challenge is a pure gamble because it only contains 200 hands and therefore if we measure standard deviation, well you know the rest I hope.


To OP - Can I participate in your challenge?


kazediel
Joined: 29.11.2009

I want to participate too! Easy money!


tcs35
Joined: 31.01.2009

i don't even play mss or understand how it works but i am willing to bet against you that the coach will win but it needs to be over a larger sample. even phil ivey can lose after 200 hands


alejandrosh
Joined: 02.07.2008

Originally posted by mineriva
I am willing to put my money where my mouth is and I wager $20 that it cannot be done.

lol , this can't be serious


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

Not a PS coach or a MSS player, but I see your bet sir


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009
Jehryn
Joined: 15.04.2008

Originally posted by w34z3l

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gadget51
Joined: 23.06.2008

OMG v Gerv? lol = fish


i just finished your challange......i did it by the chart 98% by the chart,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,NL .10 85 hands BB/100=15.82 $4.31 PROFIT,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,NL .25 47 hands BB/100=133.11 $31.28 profit,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,NL .50 85 hands BB/100=-3.74 -$3.18,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,good or bad thats how i did on PKR


noisecore
Joined: 13.04.2010

Here's my cup of tea to prove that MSS does work

Ok it's not all basic strategy but all my moves are kinda based on the basic strategy and charts which in some cases you can deviate from.

Gimme my 20 bucks!


gadget51
Joined: 23.06.2008

WOW! Now THAT...is a nice chart. TYVM!


roopopper
Joined: 31.12.2010

Originally posted by noisecore
Here's my cup of tea to prove that MSS does work

Ok it's not all basic strategy but all my moves are kinda based on the basic strategy and charts which in some cases you can deviate from.

Gimme my 20 bucks!

this is why I'm here!!! :P good work!!!!


biogas
Joined: 22.07.2010

my graph is not that nice over 14K

According to filters, the -500bb were lost are mostly on the blinds (stolen). Preflop raises, 3bets and cbets ok, 4bets ok (AK is exception).


roopopper
Joined: 31.12.2010

Originally posted by biogas
my graph is not that nice over 14K

According to filters, the -500bb were lost are mostly on the blinds (stolen). Preflop raises, 3bets and cbets ok, 4bets ok (AK is exception).

What level were you playing at? sorry the graph is too small for me to see, what do you think went wrong?


biogas
Joined: 22.07.2010

Around 300bb lost after flop by my own mistakes.
Some lost 4bet/push from MP/late/blinds with AK.
And 1.8Kbb on the blinds (folded blind pre or check/fold flop).


AKM247
Joined: 26.05.2010

Originally posted by noisecore
Here's my cup of tea to prove that MSS does work

Ok it's not all basic strategy but all my moves are kinda based on the basic strategy and charts which in some cases you can deviate from.

Gimme my 20 bucks!

Heya,

What would you say was the fundamental element in your success please mate?

Thanks,
AKM


Wampa76
Joined: 08.03.2011

Originally posted by noisecore
Here's my cup of tea to prove that MSS does work

Ok it's not all basic strategy but all my moves are kinda based on the basic strategy and charts which in some cases you can deviate from.

Gimme my 20 bucks!

This is my big motivation. _cry: