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Damn this poker addiction... -_-
I couldn't resist, and even dared to face the stupidity that is a Rookie Freeroll again. And guess what, I finished 20th out of 1178 and made 62 cents. 
(I don't have to point out that I finally lost again due to a Suck Out on the River, do I? 
)
And I also switched to NL10 and follow the SSS 99% (Sorry, but I just can't fold my suited face cards or suited aces on the button if nobody else raised yet and there's only 1-2 limpers :O), and after 77 hands, I'm with $3.91 in the green zone (compared to 446 registered hands on NL5 and $5.91 in the red...).
The reason I played on NL5 for so long was that you get the same amount of PartyPoints on this limit as you get on NL10 and I thought I'd last longer if I keep on getting Bad Beats after Bad Beats after Bad Beats (which did happen :P), and eventually make the required 300 PP.
Now, after 2 weeks, I'm at 50PP and have a restricted balance of $16.35 (as of this posting), and $6.50 in the available one (all my winnings in the freerolls minus 1 cent), so it could be a coin flip situation. Either I make it, or I don't.
And here's something I'm wondering about. In the case my restricted bankroll gets eliminated, and I end up using my available one on the cash tables, what happens then when I do win? Will the money be moved to the available balance, the restricted one, or split somehow (x cents to the previous amount of the available, the rest back into the restricted one)?
Maybe you should try playing fixed limit until you clear the 100$ bonus.
You wont get sucked as much.
9 hands later, and I'm up to $6.54 already. ♦ First time in a week that my total balance is over $25 again.
I didn't have much time to play yesterday, and I won't have much time either today, but I'm now officially an avid fan of the SSS.
And Fixed Limit is not for me. I never liked it to begin with, as you just can't bully anybody that way, certainly not Calling Stations on a draw (which usually hits on the river). I prefer an aggressive style, and nothing oozes more aggression than putting someone else All-In if they want to see the River card.
Fixed Limit was the first I tried, playing it in the Poker Trainer room on PartyPoker. I got bored out of my mind quickly (no, I'm not an ADD cripple) and saw way too many Suck Outs even though it was only against bots, so I can easily imagine that it's even worse with real "humans". It's why I gave up on Poker for almost a year.
But then I saw a tournament on TV with some bald guy (Gus) and some black guy (Ivey), I watched how they put the heat on the other players with big sized bets, and then I knew that's what I was looking for. I'm a No Limit player. 
But I needed a good education, a good strategy (with some minor modifications to fit my style), and I found it here on PS. My success in the past couple of days really boosted my confidence and I'm sure I'll break even within the next 2 weeks, and then the sky's the limit! ♦
Originally posted by Drakhor
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I'm now officially an avid fan of the SSS.
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a good strategy (with some minor modifications to fit my style)
the minor modifications that you will make to the SSS will 95% result in -EV
if you play a strategy then you stick to it...
my 2 cents
Originally posted by KillaKHAN
Originally posted by Drakhor
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I'm now officially an avid fan of the SSS.
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a good strategy (with some minor modifications to fit my style)the minor modifications that you will make to the SSS will 95% result in -EV
if you play a strategy then you stick to it...
my 2 cents
i'll add my 2 cents as agreement for a total of 4 cents.
Would you guys seriously throw away something like ATs on the button if everybody else folded, just because it isn't the minimum AJ that the SHC "requires"?
Didn't think so...
The hostility and negativism in this forum is sickening. Maybe I should just stay away, or at least not get involved anymore...
[EDIT]: Just to show you nay-sayers the facts:
I lost 6 dollars because I followed the SSS (AJs lost vs AQos with A99QJ; AQs lost vs AKos; 99 lost vs AJos because an Ace came in the Turn).
I gained back 4 dollars because I played my way (K2s OTB gave me a nut flush; Q4s in the SB gave me a nut flush).
Did I get lucky? Certainly.
Did my way work? It didn't make me lose money, did it?
I got the remaining 2 dollars back now because of QQ and KK, respectively.
Does the SSS work? Mostly. But poker is also a game of luck, and you don't win if you don't gamble. No risk, no fun, right? Well, here we can also say "no risk, no money".
So you are saying that it´s SSS:s fault that your opponents happen to have better cards sometime? Bad beats happen but the fact is that if you have better cards on AVARAGE!!!! you will come out on top. If you want to play subpremium hands you need either implied odds or fold equity and you wont get either playing SSS (mostly not with full buyins either for that sake).
So the only thing you got left is playing better starting hands. And a steal with A10 from the button is not an EV- play knowing how to play it postflop.
I assure you this post is not written to flame you in any way but just look around the forums for other players who tried to make up some strategy on their own. There are two types the ones that don´t ever take advice and go bankrupt and the ones that after many attempts realize that experience equals wisdom so the players that has played a lot of hands showing profit might have a point.
You always suffer swings and a couple of buy ins lost or won proves exactly nothing other then how the cards happened to be shuffled at the time you had a certain hand. Suckouts happen get used to it. Good luck with your game and I really mean that from the bottom of my :heart:.
Originally posted by Drakhor
I lost 6 dollars because I followed the SSS (AJs lost vs AQos with A99QJ; AQs lost vs AKos; 99 lost vs AJos because an Ace came in the Turn).
Can you post hand history for those hands?
I gained back 4 dollars because I played my way (K2s OTB gave me a nut flush; Q4s in the SB gave me a nut flush).
Did I get lucky? Certainly.
Did my way work? It didn't make me lose money, did it?
so how many times did the K2s lost you money (even only 1 BB) and how many times did you loose money with Q4s..
Poker isn't as much about luck as about making +EV bets and completing with Q4 or K2 just isn't +EV.
Originally posted by Drakhor
But poker is also a game of luck, and you don't win if you don't gamble. No risk, no fun, right? Well, here we can also say "no risk, no money".
Luck is only a small part of poker and its not about one hand , one tourney/sng
you need good bankroll management and understand that Position & Psychology are just as important as Cards in becoming a winning player
study every thing you can read and watch the video's , poker can be a grind in building a bankroll and that is not always easy for someone who likes to gamble
I'm not saying it's the SSS' fault that people end up with better cards than mine. That happens all the time. All I wanted to show was that if I had stuck to it 100%, I would have been at -4 dollars now. But as I didn't, I managed to break even.
Don't get me wrong, the SSS is a great system, for beginners and good players alike, but we can all agree that it's quite restrictive. I've played thousands of hands with play money, and I've watched pros playing thousands of hands, and the biggest pots were made with cards which were way out of the SHC.
You have to play the table, your opponent, not only your cards. In my mentioned cases (which are surely somewhere in my Poker Tracker, but I'll be damned if I knew how to extract them without having to type everything myself), I just KNEW somehow that the remaining player(s) would fold to my aggressive bets post-flop. I don't play multiple tables, I play one, and I watch everybody closely. I figure out who are the loose players who get involved in almost every pot with just about anything, I pick out the tight players who might be on a SSS of sorts as well, and put them to the test if I feel good about my cards. For me, Poker isn't just about percentages and maths, it's also about guts.
How many times did K2s and Q4s lose me money? It does happen, certainly, and I would never call with those if there had been any limpers, or even raisers before me. But OTB against the Blinds, King or Queen High are more often than not already good enough, so I limp in to take a look at the flop. If I miss it, I fold immediately and got no problem with it. Heck, I already folded Pocket Aces post-flop when it was all of the same suit and the guy immediately goes All-In because I knew he plays just about any suited cards. And I also fold Pocket Kings if someone calls my 4xBB + xBB/limper bet and an Ace comes up in the flop. There's always an idiot who calls you with his rag ace, right? So about the K2s and Q4s, I just felt like investing 15 cents (limp from the button, complete from the SB), to win 4 dollars, and it worked! Sometimes you just have to trust your Spidey Sense. ♦
Ok, I really don't know how to extract hands from Poker Tracker, and my Texas Grab'em is being persistant about there not being any poker hand in my clipboard, even though I copied everything about the hand from the hand history text files. Guess I'll just have to type it how I see it.
AJs lost vs AQos:
10-seat table, 1 empty seat in the Cutoff position. I'm the only short stack with $1.94, everybody else is around 10 dollars, so we can agree that this is an ideal table for a SSS'er, right?
I have A 
J , UTG folds, UTG+1 limps, UTG+2 raises 5xBB. Then it's my turn, and reraising that 3x would mean 1.50 of my 1.94, so I would have to go All-In, but I really, really don't feel good about it. I know that those behind me will fold after this strong bet. I first want to see a flop before I lose all of my stack, so I call. As expected, everybody folds (including the blinds), UTG+1 calls. Flop comes up with 9 
9 A 
. UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets 15xBB (but I'm pretty sure they don't think in BBs), so 1.50.
What do we have? A flop with a pair, and an ace, giving me 2 pairs. It's a made hand, and I remember reading in the SSS that you have to push with that, right? Plus there's also a draw for a Nut Flush, even though improbable. Should I have folded now because there was a bet which would put me All-In? Of course not, so I call with my remaining 1.44. UTG+1 folds.
Turn card Q 
, River card J .
Showdown: Villain has two pairs, aces and queens. Hero has two pairs, aces and jacks. Villain wins $4.37 from the main pot.
-_-
AQs lost vs AKos:
Hrmm, it doesn't show up in my tracker. But if I remember well, I was in MP+2 and raised 7xBB because of limpers, and Cutoff guy called, everybody else folds. Flop came up with AQ6 rainbow, again giving me 2 pairs. Any raise would be more than 2/3 of my stack of course, so I go All-In. Cutoff guy calls, hits the King on the River.
-_-
99 lost vs AJos:
Also doesn't show. 
That was a bit later with me in LP and already without 3 rounds of blinds (yes, it was a very fast table. One big raise from anybody, and the rest just folded), there's one limp, I make a 5xBB bet, Cutoff folds, SB folds, BB calls, limper folds. Flop comes up with 572, two :heart:, one I think... Well I know there were two of the same suit, that's for sure. And one of my nines was also of that suit, so I also had a minor flush draw.
(Oh wait, I remember why they're not registered! I was checking the guys' values when I had my AQs to see who might call my bet when I heard the ping from PP. Instead of minimizing PT, I accidentally closed it! :O)
So, here I am post-flop with an overpair in a HU situation with the BB who must have been involved in 99% of the pots. Maybe not that much, but I think I only saw him once fold pre-flop, for whatever reason. Probably he was away that time. The flop didn't seem to have helped him then in this case, so what to do? He has 12x my stack, so bullying him is out of question. I might just as well get some value, so I toss in my remaining dollar, and as expected he calls.
Ace of comes on the Turn, and I feel my guts sinking. River card is another blank, and sure enough, the sucker flips over his AJos.
So what did I do wrong? In two cases, I had 2 pairs post-flop, in the third one I had an overpair against a maniac. Is there any other way I could have played these situations? Certainly you don't expect me to fold my 2 pairs of Aces and Queens just because there MIGHT be someone else with AK and another K MIGHT come up later, do you? And folding AJ with A99 on the board would be madness as well.
We can all agree that these were 3 Bad Beats, and I DO get used to them. That's not my problem at all. I might be relatively new to poker, but I'm not a dumbass. I know when to fold my pocket pair, I know when to not get involved even with my KQs, because I watch my opponents as closely as possible, figuring out their patterns, trying to get into their heads. At first I made the mistake of not adjusting my play to a real cash game, and that's how I cut my initial bankroll in half. And heck, 85% of my losses are due to Bad Beats and Suck Outs! But that's Poker, right?
I'm not a Drama Queen (although some people might disagree with that after I dislocated my shoulder :P), I'm not an attention seeker, I just want to play Poker because I love the game. I also know that Freerolls are nothing compared to a SNG or MTT with 10k buy-in, but I don't want to be slapped all over the place with statistics and probabilities and what not how a Q2os can still beat my suited AJ, etc. I just want a little compassion, see something like "Aww man, that was really unlucky" so that I know there are persons who know the feeling as well.
I'm a beginner, and I'm still at the very bottom of my learning experience. I'm not one of those idiots who whine when they didn't get their 50 dollars exactly 48 minutes after they somehow managed to pass the quiz, only to blow them away within 5 hands. How many of those who signed up and received the money actually managed to get only 10 StrategyPoints? It can't be that many if my 44 already made me leap 10k spots in the ranking. I post here because I want a little encouragement every now and then. I already know that I'm new, thanks. I already know that I make mistakes, thanks. Again, I'm not a dumbass. But hey, a "Chin up, buddy, you'll get it back." would already make me feel better.
After all, Poker is supposed to be fun as well, right?
Sorry for the big post.
Originally posted by Drakhor
AJs lost vs AQos:
well that's the point, you can't ever call in SSS. and AJ?--Raise There was no raise in front of you. You raise.
There was a raise in front of you. You fold.
There was a strong raise in front of you from a solid player. You fold..
AQs lost vs AKos:
bad luck.. it happens, you got your money in ahead.
99 lost vs AJos:
coinflip/bad luck
i could give you positive reinforcement here, say chin up, keep it up.. this is what i would do if i was playing on a table, and someone just called my AA with 23o and lost. i would encourage them, egg them on, and get them to buy-in again and again and stack off to me again and again (i'm an evil little prick, yes).
OR i could tell you again to STICK TO THE SSS. this sounds a bit meaner, but SERIOUSLY, STICK TO THE SSS. go print out the starting hands chart, learn exactly what RAISE, raise/reraise and raise means (it's not rocket science). if it gets extremely boring playing by SSS, open up another table!
Originally posted by Drakhor
AJs lost vs AQos:I have A
What do we have? A flop with a pair, and an ace, giving me 2 pairs. It's a made hand, and I remember reading in the SSS that you have to push with that, right? Plus there's also a draw for a Nut Flush, even though improbable. Should I have folded now because there was a bet which would put me All-In? Of course not, so I call with my remaining 1.44. UTG+1 folds.
Turn card Q
Showdown: Villain has two pairs, aces and queens. Hero has two pairs, aces and jacks. Villain wins $4.37 from the main pot.
AJ has to be folded vs a raise with the SSS. And a pair on the board isn't played like 2 pairs but rather as 1 pair - top pair. But don't forget you should've been out of the hand a long time ago.
AQs lost vs AKos:
Hrmm, it doesn't show up in my tracker. But if I remember well, I was in MP+2 and raised 7xBB because of limpers, and Cutoff guy called, everybody else folds. Flop came up with AQ6 rainbow, again giving me 2 pairs. Any raise would be more than 2/3 of my stack of course, so I go All-In. Cutoff guy calls, hits the King on the River.
Bad luck, in the long term you will win with such a flop but then again you were behind to start it off...
99 lost vs AJos:
Also doesn't show.
So, here I am post-flop with an overpair in a HU situation with the BB who must have been involved in 99% of the pots.
Ace of
This was a pre flop coin flip situation, after the flop you were ahead and he sucked it out... long term profitable.
So what did I do wrong? In two cases, I had 2 pairs post-flop, in the third one I had an overpair against a maniac. Is there any other way I could have played these situations? Certainly you don't expect me to fold my 2 pairs of Aces and Queens just because there MIGHT be someone else with AK and another K MIGHT come up later, do you? And folding AJ with A99 on the board would be madness as well.
You had 2 pairs once. Folding AJ with A99 is quite a possibility as you could be way behind against lots of hands.
We can all agree that these were 3 Bad Beats
sorry but they weren't 3 bad beats.
Theoretically you were involdved in a hand you shouldn't be in in #1.
In #2 you were the dog pre flop but somehow the flop turned your way. But think again if the flop came AK instead of AQ would you fold then? Basing on your posts you surely wouldn't. You made the correct play but sometimes doing the correct play isn't enough, he had 3 outs he hit them, bad luck.
In #3 you were in a coin flip situation pre flop and the odds improved after the flop for you. But he still had 6 outs on the turn and river. You were a 3:1 favourite, so theoretically you should win the next 3 situations like that (in the really long run).
You say yourself that you are a beginner and still you refuse to listen to other people with more experience then yourself. Calling a pre flop raise from early position with AJ is not god play, sure you could be ahead of someone who plays any 2 but not against a player with some knowledge about position and even if he raises any two there are still more people in the hand after you that could have a better hand. The chance that someone at a fullring table holds a better hand is quite large and the chance that the raiser has a better hand is even larger. Even if you know that he raises all pocket pairs and A8 and better and we can throw in KQ and KJ offsuit and suited as well you are still a slight underdog to win the hand. And even idiots don't raise those from early position, well most of them anyway :rolleyes:.
Well, that was the problem with #1. I saw that person play with A2os and A5os before, and pretty much any face card, so it was a coin flip. I had 9 ace kicker cards covered, 1 would have split the pot, 3 cards beat me. Ah well...
Anyway, I've had a somewhat good day today, seeing that I haven't really played that much. 4 of 5 sessions turned out to be winning ones, I won a combined $4.62, finished in the money in a Rookie Freeroll, had my first Quad Kings ever, and my Total Balance is now back up to $29.99. ♦
Overall, I won $10.69 on my NL10 tables, currently having an impressive Win Rate Per 100 Hands of $4.19, or 41.92 BB/100. Nice, eh? ♦
Yes, it's only 255 hands as of now, but I plan on keeping it that way. The Win Rate, not the amount of hands.
Originally posted by Drakhor
Well, that was the problem with #1. I saw that person play with A2os and A5os before, and pretty much any face card, so it was a coin flip. I had 9 ace kicker cards covered, 1 would have split the pot, 3 cards beat me. Ah well...
Anyway, I've had a somewhat good day today, seeing that I haven't really played that much. 4 of 5 sessions turned out to be winning ones, I won a combined $4.62, finished in the money in a Rookie Freeroll, had my first Quad Kings ever, and my Total Balance is now back up to $29.99. ♦Overall, I won $10.69 on my NL10 tables, currently having an impressive Win Rate Per 100 Hands of $4.19, or 41.92 BB/100. Nice, eh? ♦
Yes, it's only 255 hands as of now, but I plan on keeping it that way.
if you keep that bb/100 amount you'll soon be a millionaire since even on NL10 that's 4$ per table/per hour on average. So that would be 115$k in a year playing 12 tables, 8 hours a day 300 days a year on NL10 ♦
but don't expect it to be that big over a larger sample size. I have 10bb/100 over 1.6k and I think it isn't really realistic ♦
Unfortunately not. I'm now at 387 hands, and the winrate is down to 31.16 BB/100 after 4 of 6 winning sessions. I wish I could play more, but some outside interferences have kept me from it. PokerTracker keeps switching me from TA to TAA, so I guess I'm doing good.
Actually your beginning Steps with Freerolls/SSS remind me a lot of my own beginning times. Although I didnt actually play SSS on NL5 (which is surely the reason you lost so much in the beginning) the strategy itself can be quite frustrating and is filled with constant up and downs - since you take a lot of beats against worse players.
Yet as time went on I found out that my losses were not only due to Bad Luck but that I was simply playing a lot of hands incorrectly. I was overplaying some hands, limping too many marginal hands, and just generally playing too loose. (I fixed this by starting to add more and more tables that I would play at the same time - which gave me something to do while waiting for good cards). On the side I played Freerolls and cheap tournaments which basically covered the costs my bad SSS play incurred me. At some point in time, and after having witnessed countless hands I started understanding many more aspects of the game (e.g. why calling AJ is not a good hand to call preflop raises with, why hands such as KQ and KJ are easy folds UTG and easy raises on the button (while lots of people do the wrong thing and just limp them UTG) and stuff like that.
With that experience I moved on to Big Stack strategy - moved up in the limits and am still at it.
So good luck in the Future, keep an open mind about always needing to learn more, and don't let the beats get you down.