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PokerStars.com VIP Program and Ring Game Rake Changes effective January 1, 2012

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Agiz19
Joined: 19.03.2007

n o more TaG... :)


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ItsTeddyKGB
Joined: 10.01.2011


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Thank you all for taking the time to express your opinion about the recently announced changes to ring game rake on PokerStars.com for 2012.

As a direct result of player input, we are cancelling the planned rake changes that were to be implemented in early January 2012. We will still use the incremental method to calculate rake instead of true percentage rake. Rake caps and percentages will remain exactly as they are today.

I would like to add a few comments:

The current rake at PokerStars is the lowest by far among all major poker sites.

We are confident that the planned rake changes would have resulted in a further overall decrease in ring game rake site wide, and a decrease for a majority of players.

There has been much inaccurate information spread about the impact of the changes. As an example, the changes would not have resulted in a 50% increase in rake for 5-handed play. While there would have been an increase in average rake for 5-handed play at NL tables with stakes of $0.25/$0.50 and higher, it would be far less than 50% (for stakes up to $0.10/$0.25 there was either no change or reduction in caps for 5-handed play). Most hands do not reach the cap and thus would not be affected. The rake for many hands dealt to 5 players would actually be lower at many stakes due to the lower rake percentage (4.5% reduced from 5%). If players review rake at other online poker rooms, they will discover that it is the standard for the rake caps to be the same when 5 or more players are dealt into a hand. PokerStars has been the one notable exception to this system.

In summary we still believe that the proposed rake system taken as a whole would result in a more balanced and fair rake system for players. However, given that players have responded so negatively to this change, which also has a cost to PokerStars due to the reduced rake, we felt that the best course of action is to cancel the change.

The change to the Weighted Contributed method of awarding VPPs will remain as announced.


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Tarhonya
Joined: 18.07.2010

Nit's won this one.


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ItsTeddyKGB
Joined: 10.01.2011

*Reads Stars reaction*


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ZhiCheng
Joined: 04.10.2008

Originally posted by Tarhonya
Nit's won this one.

Cancelling rake increase is def good only for nits... :f_thumbsup:


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palante88
Joined: 22.02.2008

Full tilt gonna be back and pokerstar is growing his rake..... You really send your customers to full tilt ... Not sure that pokerstar know "Marketing" ^^

I think you should offer something better to keep your player ;) But it s only my advice ... Really want to know what full tilt gonna offer ^^


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Huseens
Joined: 03.07.2009

Originally posted by palante88
Full tilt gonna be back and pokerstar is growing his rake..... You really send your customers to full tilt ... Not sure that pokerstar know "Marketing" ^^

I think you should offer something better to keep your player ;) But it s only my advice ... Really want to know what full tilt gonna offer ^^

read whole thread imo


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NightFrostaSS
Joined: 25.10.2008

Originally posted by Tarhonya
Nit's won this one.


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Tarhonya
Joined: 18.07.2010

Well, I take it back beacause I didn't read the whole thing.

I see the fairness in contributed rake system, however if it comes with increased rake than I'm obviously against it.


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Zheelvern
Joined: 29.10.2007

Lol great cap for NL2 & NL5.


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Originally posted by PokerStarsSteve
The change to the Weighted Contributed method of awarding VPPs will remain as announced.

Nice one stars!

Ironic mode on :evil:


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@Steve:

All the arguments have been rightfully pointed out on 2+2.

I have only read this thread
Mass Sitout to Protest PokerStars 2012 Rake Changes

And I, personally, will join the strike until these conditions are met:

1. Rake caps of $.50/$1/$1.5/$2/$3 for 2/3/4/5/6+ handed play
2. 4.5% linear rake up to the cap

PLUS ONE OF THE FOLLOWING TWO OPTIONS

3a. Winner take all rake calculation method
4a. 6x VPP across the board

OR

3b. WC rake calculation method
4b. 6.5x VPP across the board

+ some sort of tweaking of the rake system on the Fixed Limit & other game types which are currently unbeatable because of the rake.


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Originally posted by MonkeySam

Originally posted by PokerStarsSteve
The change to the Weighted Contributed method of awarding VPPs will remain as announced.

Nice one stars!

Ironic mode on :evil:

I didn't read the fine print, got too excited


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NightFrostaSS
Joined: 25.10.2008

Weighted contributed is fine, but some tweaks to VPP/$ should be made for ring game tables. Even ftp adjusted their reward system after changing rake calculation method if i recall correctly.


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EmanuelC16
Joined: 02.01.2010

I want FTP back!!!


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Sad to read how pokerstars is treating their loyal custumers. They are so greedy, some types of games are unbeatable/unprofitable for poker players X(
If they reduce rake down -30% they would still make tons of money but no they want it even more and don't care about players.

I will for sure participate in the protest! :)


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rorri
Joined: 01.03.2008

Thanks for sharing Batman.


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Hell yeah. Finally the 24 table MSS'ers are gone/useless.


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